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[DISCUSSION] Are we responsible for global warming?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Sherb, Jul 12, 2019.

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Are we responsible for global warming?

  1. Yes, we are responsible

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  2. No, we are not responsible

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  1. Sherb

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    Earth's average temperatures have risen by almost two degrees since the start of the 20th century. While this may seem minimal, it has already had devastating impacts on a global scale.

    It is agreed-upon by people on both sides of the aisle for this subject that greenhouse gas levels (carbon dioxide, methane, etc) in the atmosphere have increased significantly. However, whether this is a natural ebb and flow or a human-driven responsibility is contentious.

    YES, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE

    Standard arguments note that rising greenhouse gas levels are an immediate result of human activity like fossil fuel burning. It is contended that these increases have caused severe changes in climates such as loss of sea ice, global warming, rises in sea levels, more intense storms, and increased drought prevalence.

    It is challenged that there should be immediate action by all global parties to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions, vital for the prevention of negative climate change effects.

    NO, WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE

    Typical arguments for this side note that human-produced and driven gas emissions are not prevalent enough to cause a substantial change in the climate of the earth, and that the globe is more than capable of absorbing these potential damages.

    People voicing this side of the debate also state that the global warming that has occurred over the past century is primarily a result of natural processes, like ocean currents and fluctuations in the heat from the sun

    WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

    What do you believe? Are humans a driving factor in this change in the global climate? Or do we play a more minor role overall and this is something to not be concerned about? Why do you believe that point?
     
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  2. ZeroDefects

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    Shame on the 20% who said no
     
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    This one is a hard one and I personally don't know what to think. I feel that this whole global warming thing may just be a way to destabilize less tech savvy countries with natural resources such as coal / oil and push business to those that get into electrical power thereby eliminating competition from the less developed places in the world. They tax you higher for vehicles that produce higher carbon dioxide emissions yet where is the money actually going because I doubt that they are using it to tackle global warming. So is this just another government money maker? Why can't we start using vegetable oil in car engines? Is it because the government won't be able to tax everyone as people would be growing their own fuel? On the other side I feel like days have been getting warmer and warmer ever since I was a kid. I don't remember sweating as much as I do now during those same summer days when I was much younger so maybe global warming is a fact and not a fairy tale but then again some say that the increase in temperatures is a normal thing and has been going on for centuries and it's got nothing to do with humans.

    Here's an interesting video:

     
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    Global Warning is real even though I'm a hard core right winger.

    Who is responsible is so far above my pay grade I should be in a playground though.

    It does not take a Rhodes Scholar to see some of the effects and read some of the science presented and it would make sense for some smart people to figure a way to fix that some for our grandchildren and their grandchildren.
     
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    chemitrails are cause of global warmings
     
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    The United States pulls out of the Paris Climate Agreement and goes on to reduce emissions more than any other country.

    While it's important for us to tackle certain issues and make our planet greener, the climate change industry is a scam.
     
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    It's REAL and WE are responsible for it. There's no disputing it (in my opinion).
     
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    It's another war on China.

    I think if I'm suspicious about what is trending and mainstream I will be fewer times wrong.
     
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    Back in the 8th grade, I had a teacher that laid all of this out for the class. The effects of deforestation, industrialization, fossil fuels, everything was covered way back in the 1990's by a no-name small town grade school teacher. Fast forward to now, we're acting like this discussion hasn't been ongoing at least since I was born in the '80s. The earth, in theory, should be able to keep up and heal itself, sure. It's a very effective system of waste removal, etc. The thing is, humans are causing a lot of negative effects and the earth will absorb and clean itself. It will go ahead and get rid of the problem and survive plenty more years with us not inhabiting it. I can't count the number of people this year alone that are like "Can you believe this weather? I've never seen anything like it!" All because we, in typical human nature fashion, overspent our resources and are basically living on borrowed air.

    The bad thing is we've made it a partisan issue, mainly because people in power that influence politics are a bit older and have a completely different viewpoint on things. The younger generation, people around my age and below have been learning, studying, and living in a world short on resources our entire lives so we don't know anything different while anyone older saw a lot of things, such as plastic, being championed rather than vilified. Take my mother, for example. She honestly doesn't live past her footprint. She recycles because, why not, but never had the benefit of having a teacher discuss this with her in terms she'd understand. It didn't exist at the time. 60 years later, now people are telling her she's wrong, and throw a bunch of numbers she doesn't understand at her. On the flip side, people she's listened to and trusted her whole life are dismissing the issue without a single conversation making her think it's not as serious as it really is, especially when there is a major point of making it seem like no one younger than 40 is responsible and are simply destroying everyone's way of life on a whim.
     
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    I don't think David Icke is someone you can rely on for this sort of conversation but from what I've gathered, we're definitely responsible. As for the damage it causes, it's hard to say given the 50/50 reaction by those in power.

    I'm currently campaigning for the plastic usage and destruction of beaches. I didn't believe it until I saw it with my own eyes where beaches looked disgusting. Something needs to be done.
     
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    Maybe. But he did mention the medieval warm period and the Wikipedia article about it had this picture which seems worrying:

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    we cut down to many trees, we gotta start replanting :)

    natures shitty air filter.
     
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    Funny story. I had a friend and his wife, Chris and Joyce who were in a ministry position who had part of their "job" to plant trees in the upper north west of the USA.

    Chris is a stellar human and was renowned to be one of the best tree planters back in the day. We had sort of a hybrid hybrid hippie/love God situation going on then.

    Free thought inside of our convictions, work like maniacs to generate revenue for our cause.
     
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    People make fun of tree huggers and hippies, but they are the people that will eventually save the planet lol.

    deforestation in Georgia (USA) is getting crazy. (apartments ._.) Hopefully, some multi-billionaires buy up all the land just to preserve it (that's what I would do)
     
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    Neither one of them will save the planet as they are both room temperature.
     
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    It's clear that the climate has changed, but the problem many people have (myself included) is that we've had climate changes before over the course of history. I don't think driving cars is causing all of this, but I'm not against the idea of not having to smell diesel from work trucks while they're chopping down 100's of trees across the street from my house.

    Another issue is that particular governments have monetized this apparent climate change with "the sky is falling" messages. I live in Canada and a carbon tax recently got brought in. The cost of the carbon tax is going to keep rising year after year. The same government which brought in the carbon tax was caught shipping garbage to the Philippines (wow, such an environmentally friendly government).

    There are other things that could be focused on that would actually make a more noticeable difference. Instead of calling everyone names, telling people in rural towns not to drive cars (guess people who don't live in a city can't have a job) and telling people to not have children to reduce our "carbon footprint" etc. things like reducing littering (remember when that was a priority) and not chopping down 100's of trees for over-priced condominiums to be built should be done.
     
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    First of all, we have to protect the enviroment. Why? Because we live here and our children and grandchildren ( and so.. ) will live here. So it's my responsability to protect this - let's say - heritage. What I do in this case? I put the garbage in the trash can, I don't just throw it away. I don't waste food and water, just because today I have more money to buy things ( simply speaking, I buy just what is necessary ). I avoid as much as I can plastic bags and plastic in general. Also, I prefer electric motors instead of combustion engines. And other "small" actions, to keep the enviroment safe.

    Second, I think the man have just a little percentage of fault in global warming. From times to times, on a large timescale, this kind of things usually happen anyway. According to some studies, The Global Climate is changing on every 100 years with aproximation [( source: the book "Geneza pamantului" ( en: Earth genessis ), 1977)]. BUT, like I said above, we have the duty to protect the enviroment. I am not a fan of "Don't cut the trees" ( we need the wood to build things ), but I am not agree with the large-scale deforestation, because this may have a negative effect on the Ecosystem.

    Third: I am not agree with those "Protect the enviroment" NGO's, while the actions of these NGO's are purely political. A lot of money are waste on such NGOs, while good amount of investments are needed in other places.

    So, generally speaking, we are not responsable for the Global Warming.
     
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