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Disavow (Un)success Story

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Narrator, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. Narrator

    Narrator Power Member

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    One of my sites was hit with the dreaded WMT message back in March, and I have been submitting reconsideration requests monthly with no luck. Dumping the domain is not an option since it is the name of one of my companies, and it is well established in it's niche.

    With the release of the disavow tool I was one of the few people to think it could actually be useful (maybe just wishful thinking). So I submitted a list of about 5k links along with submitting another reconsideration request noting that I disavowed a list of "inorganic" links.

    In response I received a typical cookie-cutter message:
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    Although I have been submitting lists of removed links with all the previous requests.


    And I checked WMT today to see if there has been any improvement.
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    The site's queries were already 1/10 of what it was before the penalty but google decided to rub some salt in the wounds.

    I still haven't gotten the final response for the request but things don't look good.

    Cheers!
     
  2. davids355

    davids355 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    My site also appears to have suffered from using disavow tool, but it's early days yet...
     
  3. jeromespitfire

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    Could be a huge dance. How long ago did you submit?
     
  4. Narrator

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    I submitted the disavow and reconsideration on 10/17
     
  5. Z0mbie

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    When google says "good-faith efforts to get inorganic links removed", they want you to email the webmasters of the websites where your backlinks are, and sending them a report of it.

    I'd include the domain name, Backlinking page, the email addresses, and whether the link was removed after a 2-4 week period or not, in an excel file, and send that.
    Perhaps, to make the link-removal-prospecting(Yes I just made that up) process look manual, you could also include dates the emails were sent(faked, ofcourse).
     
  6. Z0mbie

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    Plus, this isn't a disavow failure story. Disavow tool is useless by itself for manual penalties, and you HAVE to file a proper reconsideration request.
     
  7. Narrator

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    That's exactly what I have been doing for months now.
     
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    I would say that it is still early days, as it can take a month to see the full effects. The drop in traffic could be a good sign, as you could bounce right back up again. However using the disavow tool on penalized sites really isn't well documented, so it is hard to say.
     
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    Please update! I am sure we all want to see if this entire roller coaster ride. The disavow tool just came out so it probably isn't the only reason you dropped, update at the 4, 6 and 8 week mark.
     
  10. Z0mbie

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    Perhaps they saw your signature :p

    What have you been sending them exactly? Did you have any link-removal successes? Google most probably has an automated system to determine whether any links have been removed or not because of time constraints, and you need to get atleast a specific percentage of them removed for them to atleast consider it.

    Check this thread: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-site-blog-comments-you-need-remove-them.html
     
  11. RightInTwo

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    I used linkdelete.com for a client. Not only did they remove most of the links for me, but they also gave me a final report. I took that report and submitted it to google and it was fixed. hope that helps.
     
  12. Narrator

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    I submitted a list of all the links google has discovered since January. I noted in the reconsideration request that I have no way of knowing for sure which links are "inorganic" so I submitted a list of all the links discovered this year.

    At the time of the penalty I had 165k links on WMT, now it's down to 34k.

    I lost a lot of money from this penalty, so I have been trying to follow google's rules for fixing this.


    I'll be sure to update this thread if I do have some success.
     
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    The don't delete jack. All they do is, they harvest email/contact forms on sites with your backlinks and spam them with the demands to remove links. If they can't harvest email/contact form, they spam email from domain whois.

    Guess what happens with 99% of these emails? Yes, the get deleted (emails, not links).

    It's OK if they just get ignored but one day you might piss someone off enough to send 150K Xrumer blast your way.
     
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    are you sure you deleted the spam instead of the good links ?? :D
     
  15. partymarty4870

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    My thoughts exactly - here's a thread about it. http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/497617-not-way-ask-link-removal.html

    You've got to be very careful using those companies - I edited out the last line of the message that had the companies name on it.
     
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    exactly - it looks to me like you just shot yourself in the foot and "disavowed" too may good links.

    (Although you have all the info at hand - and I don't)
     
  17. Narrator

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    Yea I probably did. The problem is almost any link nowadays can be considered inorganic, it is an ecommerce site and link baiting isn't practical for the niche. So the question is how many links do you have to remove before they consider it a "good-faith effort". My story with them is I hired a SEO "expert" that built spammy links, so I figured showing them I want to start with a clean slate is my best chance.

    I moved on to bigger and better projects but I figured I would document my last attempt at recovering this site.

    Cheers!
     
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    The drop could actually mean lost links = lost rankings in long-tails or secondary keywords so that could also mean that the tool actually works.
     
  19. TheLinkGuy

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    Have you used them? Because I did and have had success like others in this thread and have talked with others that also have used them to remove links and have won reconsideration requests.

    Theres a thread somewhere on the forums with several positive reviews in which I posted my experience.

    As Google pointed out in this email, and Matt Cutts did as well, that the disavow tool isn't enough and that webmasters must remove links if you want to file a reconsideration request and win. The disavow is meant as a final resort before filing a reconsideration request for those links that cannot be removed after contacting websites to have them taken down.

    In my own personal experience linkdelete removed thousands of links from my main domain, it did take a few months and several reconsideration requests but I did win and my rankings have increased. I'm like the guy that started the thread, my website is my moneymaker and far too big to simply "ditch". I personally don't have time to do outreach like linkdelete did and Im sure as hell not gonna train my staff mate to get them to do it either. Thats just dumb. I fail to see how their service is any different then your service that you offer? You build links, they help remove links that were deindexed and caught by Google (Im sure you are familiar with this). Both are services that help save business owners time and make them money.

    I am all for services that work, and I have had nothing but good experiences with them.
     
  20. gorang

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    This does not mean that the disavow tool was the reason for the drop in rankings. It just means that sometime after using the tool, your rankings dropped. It could be for any number of reasons. I've also used the tool and my rankings have increased rapidly. But in the same way, it does not mean that the disavow tool was the reason my rankings increased.
     
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