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Disappointed with IM income, what to do?

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by asker1, Sep 29, 2016.

  1. asker1

    asker1 Registered Member

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    Hi,

    lets get straight to the point. I am from a relatively small EU country and I have learned a lot about SEO in the last 5 years so. I have mastered PBNs and I can rank even the hardest keywords in my country, it helps a lot that there isnt a lot of competition.

    So I thought that I will be very rich quite soon, yes? Wrong. I went straight for the hardest keywords:

    (Payday) Loans - 2nd place for main keyword, many important in top 3.
    -One month I managed to get around 3 300 € out of it, but after many negative changes in the law many leads are now getting rejected and I am around 1 400 € a month from it at best. But I also pay 400 € for new content and couple hundred for new domains, PBN hosting etc.
    So I am getting around 700 € profit at best out of it. This is nowhere near what i expected.


    Car insurance - 2-3rd place for main keyword, many important in top 3.
    -This is just laughable, I am getting around 400-500 € income from it! I have changed the affiliate provider for a better now and I think that it could perhaps get me around 1 500 € a month. Minus 300 € or so monthly expenses.
    In most EU countries you can review the accounting, income/profits etc. for any ltd so I did that. Websites that are below me in Google are making more than a half a million € a year, while i am getting 1 500 €. I dont know if they are doing something else, if they make so many insurances outside online or what. And I am using those companies as affiliate providers.


    Life insurance - 3rd place for main keyword, many important in top 3, but mostly first place
    -I was in an agreement to get paid for any paid insurance. After several months - big fat zero. I have changed the affiliate provider now, so lets see but it doesnt look any better.


    To be honest, i am really disappointed by this so far. Are those niches hard to sell online or what? I was thinking about starting a travel insurance website, but I dont know... Or perhaps bed sheets and accessories? Maybe home appliances? All of those look that they have no competition and a big search volume.

    What would you do if you could rank most keywords in your country?
     
  2. michaelr1988

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    I tell you what I would do in your shoes. As you've already got the most important step of ranking covered.
    Do a bit of everything. Stick with some of the niches you're already doing, but add some sites for clickbank, CPA, Amazon, random affiliate programs. Spread out the risk so you don't lose everything overnight.
     
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    Find better niches.

    You know how to rank, the problem is you aren't making money after you rank.

    I've seen a few Amazon niches that are ruled by 1-2 sites with light link profiles and im 100% sure they are making 80k+/year. Their advertising claims over 100k UV a month.

    Tried going after one but you have to go whitehat, they report your ass. :)
     
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    Product launch jacks, although, this is declining in profits.

    Offer SEO services, create another PBN and sell posts here. That will be guaranteed income if your links truly work as you say they do.

    More ideas probably coming soon ...
     
  5. asker1

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    But what could be the better niches? I thought that those ones have the most money in it and others are small. But i am not sure, thats why i am asking :).

    I will try to add more niches, but I just dont want to spend sooo much time and resources to build a new money site to get a few euros from it...
     
  6. asker1

    asker1 Registered Member

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    Mzonas - yes, I was thinking about offering my SEO services to businesses here but I am not sure if its worth it. Its a huge pain in the ass to work with clients, because they mostly demand definitive answer like "how many of those links do i need to be in 1st place" or "how long will it take to rank" and dont want to pay so well... many just ask a lot and then dont buy anything. I did that few years ago (before I did PBNs)

    In fact, i am doing Websites on the side for clients, thats very straightforward.
     
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    It is worth it. In 2012 - 2013 I was making $3,000 per week by providing PBN services + I had other stuff on the side.
     
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    Yeah, but the problem is, that I have a much smaller market with lower prices. My PBN domains and content are not english, so i have to sell it here. But I will think about it in detail. Maybe i will do it :).
     
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    Here is my advice to you: give VALUE to the world for free and build a huge following while you do this. People will love you for it and have a need for reciprocity. I literally just give away all my knowledge for free these days (like methods etc. which I would have always kept to myself in the past), and in my experience the more I do this the more comes back at me. I know like this sounds like some hippy fairytale shit but it is very true in my experience. Like for example a guy asked me how to make eCommerce/dropshipping work. Normally I wouldn't share my little secret niches (lol) but I decided to say fuck it and let him copy and model my whole thing. 2 weeks later he says he made $3k in profit with Reddit traffic and that he wants to pay me $500/month to help him out further. Lesson for me here is the more you give the more you receive.

    I don't know exactly how this can relate to you but it's a law of the universe. Maybe it's not really integratable with payday loan rankings etc., but I mean you could rank for other niches where there is a strong need, provide value, and then upsell later. Find a niche market with a strong pain point, give value while building a list, and sell to them later. Anyway my number #1 advice for you would be to build an email list, if you're not already doing that with your rankings.
     
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    Why is there so little competition? Is it possible that the demand is not high enough for these things online in your country? (Just guessing as I don't know where you are from)
     
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    Why don't you try Amazon affiliate?With your skill, i think 3-5/month isn't hard
     
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    Here's my take on how he can apply that with car insurance. I believe those are shit industries to be promoting, but he can still bring a touch of humanity or humor into car insurance. Like how Geico uses some Gecko and Progressive uses Flo.

    Like if you ranked carinsurancepenguin.com as #1 and used that character to your advantage. You use all the same information as what you currently have but you present it in a different way. People would like that better.
     
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    Because we dont have Amazon in my country. But other shops provide affiliate programs too so I can do the same thing. As mentioned before - my whole content, PBN domains etc. are not english, so I cant just use them to build an Amazon niche site.

    What kind of things would be the most profitable? I know I know, very generic question, but some ideas would be great :).
     
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    Because there are less people overall and actually no one is doing PBNs or not properly.

    Demand - I dont know... there are few million cars around here and every single one needs a car insurance. So the demand should be enough for me? But I get just peanuts from it.
     
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    As for me, I diversify my income outside of IM. Instead of only focusing on SEO + launch jacking, I also trade forex these days. There's way too many updates on Google that it is hard to find the exact method that works for IM.
     
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    Yes but are there any big insurance players that have the market tied up? Maybe your offers are not paying highly enough or your affiliate program is shaving (It does happen)

    How do high street providers in your country compare to online quotes for insurance? If they are just as cheap people might be just going into an insurance agent in the town rather than looking online.

    Again, just guessing as IDK but I'm just trying to think of a few reasons why it's not very profitable for you.
     
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    Umm..Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but you can certainly sell Amazon stuff to other people in other countries and profit from it regardless of the fact that you don't live there. What do you think is stopping you from building sites and ranking them for U.S. or U.K. people buying stuff on Amazon? It's all feasible....As far as traffic goes, not much beats Amazon on an overall basis because you can send people there for freaking lawnmowers and they end up buying shoes, clothes, electronics, etc..

    I would diversify if I were you, for sure, but if believe you can rank in google.com and uk for keywords, I would do everything you need to do to add Amazon to your portfolio. People just buy and buy and buy shit. True story...

    Good luck man.
     
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    full time job is a good idea
     
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    why not just open new sites until you collect the desired amount? you should also be realistic with your niches though :)
     
  20. asker1

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    Hmm, there are some big players but not so super known to the public like for example Geico in USA.

    In fact you get quotes from every insurance company using my website and you can choose the best one. The prices are basically the same as they are at local offline agents. But yeah, I would still think that people would do it more online than wasting time going somewhere to do the same thing. Even if 5% would do it online, its still a huge number.

    I get around 5 500 - 6 000 visitors a month which translates to 80 paid car insurances. The affiliate company that i am using is doing around 1 000 - 1 200 insurances a month. And they are below me in Google. I dont get it how its possible.
    I am sending the traffic directly to them, they convert on their sites.

    And they are not shaving me, I have used previously another affiliate provider (close friends) and the numbers were maybe half of that lol.

    I am really puzzled by this.
     
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