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dilemma buying the marketplace

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by cgpa2.17, May 27, 2014.

  1. cgpa2.17

    cgpa2.17 Regular Member

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    ordered few services > kw ranked > making some $ > kw drops, massive links removed > stop making $ > going b to McD

    lesson : I won't simply order in BHW from the person who I'm no familiar with.
     
  2. Panther28

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    Send them a polite message asking for their help, rather than complain and say nothing.
     
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  3. macdonjo3

    macdonjo3 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    You need to buy from services who have been reviewed by an experienced moderator. For example, BigBuddy always leaves a detailed review (sometimes with follow ups too) and he has lots of experience in the industry, so watch for those services he approves. However, some other thread approvals just say "Approved" so the quality of the service is left unknown.
     
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  4. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    Send the seller a PM and get it straightened out. If the seller has given
    you poor service, you are welcome to apply for a Shit List thread.
    However, be prepared to show proof of your accusations.
     
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  5. arganrecords

    arganrecords Elite Member

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    I think people in the Marketplace are here to help. I buyed 10/15 service on socials and all it's good. If you received poor service contact the seller and ask for explain.
     
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    i am not against mr apricot and i know SEO ,but i have seen them approving shitty services. recent example
    auto blogs scammers (web*** , Veron )
    -=-
     
  7. Apricot

    Apricot Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    No one is perfect, you have to understand we can have up to 10 threads a day to approve/reject and some threads will be approved that may not go well, while some may get rejected that are perfectly fine. We try our best on what we are provided with during the review, but unfortunately can't control the freewill of what people will do after being approved.
    I'd like to think that a high percentage of approved threads work without issue and the ones that don't get dealt with accordingly. If you have any issues/suggestions you can of course feel free to PM a staff member.
     
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  8. Reyone

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  9. I know SEO

    I know SEO Marketplace Mod Staff Member Moderator

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    Your entitled to your own opinion, but each service we test is checked 100% and as Mr Apricot stated we cant control how they deliver future services to the members of this forum. We are always working on improving the quality of the Marketplace and save guarding buyers is something we are currently focused on.

     
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  10. bartosimpsonio

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    There are no guarantees in SEO. Unfortunately Google has a big market share and they can abuse that power freely.

    I see marketplace providers using Gmail and using google for communication: they are giving google smoking gun proof of the purchase of SEO services. If the name of whoever pays for SEO services matches the owner of a website, Google destroys them. Paypal and 2CO receits go to emails, it's smoking gun proof of payment....

    Sometimes the support email is not Gmail, but the receipt from paypal and others go to gmail....they can type in "seo service" and find everyone who's selling services and all customer URLs instantly....

    Some people refuse to understand that Google is in the personal identification business. They want real names, they want your personal information, they know where you live, where you access your accounts from, your phones will even reveal your GPS location...

    When you use Gmail to buy from the marketplace, or the marketplace provider uses Gmail, you are giving Google your true identity, location and even the medicine you take. They know who owns the sites, Google is an ICANN registrar....

    That's how they took down several well known networks, they're no longer finding spam through googlebot, they're simply searching gmail.

    Buying black hat services requires that all parts of the transaction be shielded from google but some people still insist on doing otherwise, and you get entire networks taken down in a minute.
     
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  12. crazedspyker

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    Also have to understand that service providers sometimes fake their service to the mods by providing super high quality, but then change it up once their service is approved. There's no way mods can keep checking the service all the time (which is why we have the ability to report to them if something seems wrong), unless there was some kind of "secret shopper" thing, which would require some funding (I wouldn't mind a monthly fee for this if it was possible, it would probably save everyone money over time and force service providers to stay sharp).

    And yeah, I agree with you. I have seen many shitty services slip by the mods from fake high PR links to spammy services advertised as whitehat.
     
  13. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I rarely do the BST approval process but I would like to share my opinion.

    I see the approval process as the test for the ability of the BST seller to at least provide the claimed service.

    • Did he claim to provide X on the test and failed? Not going to get approved.
    • Is the seller problematic (perhaps even a previously banned user)? Not going to get approved.
    • Is the service a probable scam? Not going to get approved.
    • Is the seller going by the name Cornelius Ernesto Ophelia Sam? Not a chance :eek:

    But more than that, it is unreasonable to expect any guarantees.

    How do you expect me (and any Mod) to say if an approved service is going to rank or tank your keyword? If you really do expect such a thing, you should go buy stuff from WaFo - they 'll assure you as much as you like :eek:

    SEO is a tricky thing, we are not in '09. Do you due diligence, understand wtf you 're doing and don't just buy services for the sake of it. Have a plan. And ffs, use buffer sites - don't unconditionally spam the shit on your non churn-and-burn sites and then wonder what happened.
     
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  14. netmoney1

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    Think of it like a retail store - you can buy basically everything there - but it is up to you to make a solid judgement call.

    Perfect example. I just got a new coffee maker today - there were crappy ones for $40 or the top of the line Keurig for $170.

    I knew I didn't want a crappy one - so I bought the best one. There were dozens to select from - it was my job to use my brain and make a purchase decision.

    If I was stupid enough to buy a $40 one that claimed "100% the best coffee in the world - makes unlimited amounts of coffee - and will never break" and it was crap - well then that was on me - nobody at the store had a gun to my head.

    If something sounds too good to be true it usually is. If a SEO service is guaranteeing anything - then something isn't right.

    Just use common sense.
     
  15. goosefrabah

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    I think it is really difficult to assess what the problem is in this case. Sellers on this forum are rather honest, or they will at least help you out if a problem arises. Google just pushed two big updates which may be the problem, but it could also be an issue with one service you ordered and not all of them.

    It becomes far more difficult to discern which service went bad when you ordered a few. I believe if you contact the sellers 9 out of 10 times they will help you out if it is a recent purchase.
     
  16. partymarty4870

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    or maybe it was just blog network posts that have fallen from the homepage?