Digital Point Owners facing up to 40Mil in fines + 20Years in da bighouse!

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Don't know if this has been posted already but it appears that the "HotSauce Guy" was not the only one blinded by how yummy Grandma's cookies looked:

http://www.nickycakes.com/digital-point-owners-indicted-out-on-100k-bail/

^ They seem to have scans of what appears to be legal docs and whatnot.

Revenews in-depth Article:

http://www.revenews.com/kelliestevens/affiliates-indicted-for-cookie-stuffing/

Discuss :D

Nearly 2 years ago, you may remember an post by Nickycakes detailing the Digital Point cookie stuffing scandal [allegedly] perpetrated by Shawn Hogan, owner of Digital Point forums and his partner. You can view the post here (from Sept 2008). Nickycakes details exactly how they were [allegedly] doing it etc.

Well, fast forward to this year and Shawn Hogan and his buddy Brian Dunning have both been Indicted after a lengthy FBI investigation. They've been charged with over 15 counts of wire fraud and criminal forfeiture. They've been released on $100,000 bonds and had to give up their passports, which is sad for them because they have made literally millions of rich success guy webmaster in India who would be glad to offer them safe haven if they were able to flee the country.

The charges for each of them carry max sentences of 20 years and and $250,000 or twice the gross gain/loss. How much was the gross gain? Uhh... over $20,000,000 according to the court docs. So, yeah, maximum fine of $40,000,000, just for the criminal case. This is in addition to the civil suit Ebay has going with them, and as we all learned from the OJ trial, even if they don't stick you with the criminal trial, the civil suit will get you for millions anyway.

Some specifics taken from revenews.com:

Between 2006 and June 2007, Shawn Hogan (Digital Point Solutions) earned approximately $15.5 million in commissions from eBay. Hogan was eBay's number one affiliate.
Between 2006 and June 2007, Dunning (Kessler's Flying Circus) earned approximately $5.3 million in commissions from eBay. Dunning was eBay's number two affiliate.
Hogan and Dunning are accused of generating hidden forced clicks on both their own web sites as well as sites not connected with the defendants in order to increase the number of computers storing the eBay affiliate tracking cookie.
The legal criteria for wire fraud was established not on money (commissions) being transferred over the wires, but because of transmission of the tracking cookie between states and internationally.
The affiliates attempted to hide the activity from eBay and CJ by not engaging in the cookie stuffing on computers located in San Jose (eBay headquarters) or Santa Barbara (CJ's headquarters). This is geo-targeting and is readily known to be used by affiliates engaging in questionable activity. Of course, not all geo-targeting activity in nefarious.
Both Hogan (2005) and Dunning (2006) denied any cookie stuffing behavior when questioned by CJ.
Each individual wire fraud account is related to a particular incident on an IP address outside California (location of eBay servers) where an affiliate cookie for the defendants was set.
That's over 20mil in fraud cookie stuffing commissions, kids.

Anndddd we have court docs:

Shawn Hogan Criminal Case
Brian Dunning Criminal Case
Ebay vs Digital Point Peeps Civil Suit
Does this spell the end for Digital Point, the worst internet marketing forum to ever have existed? We can all only hope....well...maybe not all of us:

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WOW, that's all I can say. This should be interesting to see how this plays out. I wonder if they will do time?...
 
Some interesting quotes n facts about this case:

Between 2006 and June 2007, Shawn Hogan (Digital Point Solutions) earned approximately $15.5 million in commissions from eBay. Hogan was eBay?s number one affiliate.

Between 2006 and June 2007, Dunning (Kessler?s Flying Circus) earned approximately $5.3 million in commissions from eBay. Dunning was eBay?s number two affiliate.

Regardless of the innocence or guilt of Hogan and Dunning, the fact that the U.S. Attorney deems cookie stuffing criminal should be a wake-up call for our industry.
As Linda Buquet stated when she first talked about the case, ?For the blackhatters out there that say, ?cookie stuffing isn?t illegal and all is fair in love and affiliate marketing? ? I say you better take a very close look at this case!?
 
thats nuts, did he stuff cookies from DP visitors? I am not clear how he got that much traffic to produce the income
 
IF you're making that much 'coin' then you're likely to be on somebody's radar, one way or the other. If they were making <$100K/yr then we wouldn't be reading about this. ;)

RM
 
this is frackin nuts. But I can think of several reasons DP is GOOD to have around!
 
Maybe one way to benefit from this is to make another forum for all those people and start sending mass PM's to all the DP users. Show them what happened and maybe they will come!
 
And some people cant understand why that topic is no longer to be discussed here.

I can guarantee you one thing, both Ebay and the feds want to make an example of them. Expect maximum sentences and fines to be handed down.
 
trust me, you dont want AT LEAST half of those people over there.
its F***n horrible.

on a good note, i learned what cookie stuffing is today!
ive been curious about that.
how else can it be exploited? or is that basically it?
 
Well I don't think shoe money its too worried about.... I got an email about 2 days ago about his bullshit training programs:p
 
I want DP to be shut down. Don't care about the fines. Just shut the god damn thing down.
 
yeah, but then how many of those tards are going to be over here.
last week i asked a simple question and i had some tard saying he wished i would die and that my tactics were scandalous, lol.
and i had no idea wtf he was even talking about!
 
1) scrape all of DP
2) wait for DP to get shut down
3) launch clone site, steal all traffic
4) massive profit :)
 
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Dude should have gotten the hell out of dodge with his cash before the feds nabbed his passport. He could be sitting all cozy in some country that does not cooperate with the US instead of being someones bitch and taking it up the ass
 
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