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Did ranking a new domain has just become terribly difficult?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by lablinks, Dec 15, 2010.

  1. lablinks

    lablinks Senior Member

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    I just want to know if this is just coincidence or something has changed just a few weeks ago. I've never had such a difficult time ranking new domains like I've had with the last few domains I bought within the past 3 weeks. Usually it takes me next to nothing to rank in top 100 & usually top 50 & higher, but now I have keywords with lower competition for these new sites, good amount of backlinks & my sites are not even in top 400 for my main keywords, although they get some long tail traffic which I don't particularly care for. Hell, in the past I would have been on second page at least with this much work.
     
  2. tbrad

    tbrad Registered Member

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    Took me 3 months to appear in the top 1000 after ranking a new domain, i guess i was sandboxed because i popped straight onto page 1, but it took 3 months of not being in top 1000 before it happened.
     
  3. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    Do you have keywords in domain name?
    What kind of competition/search numbers are you considering "lower competition"?
    I just ranked a site Top 10 within 2 weeks, but it had all the keywords in the domain.
     
  4. WebInvestor

    WebInvestor Registered Member

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    i find google is taking a ridiculous amount of dancing lessons lately.

    and they keep falling over their feet.

    Get your steps right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    horrible dance partners they are
     
  5. lablinks

    lablinks Senior Member

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    Yes, main keywords are in domain names.

    25-45K exact, about 6 million results, first page 1-2 PR websites with around 100 0-2 PR links, not including wikipedia.

    I'll tell you even something more odd. I put one of the keywords in one of my older domain's footer (PR0 domain) once, does not appear in domain name, title or anywhere else, made some scrapebox 0PR anchored backlinks & it's now #21 within 2 weeks & my fully optimized domain for the keyword is nowhere to be found.
     
  6. craigslistguy

    craigslistguy Regular Member

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    maybe you should get your On Site SEO Game Up^ !
     
  7. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    Honestly I wouldn't expect big results from a keyword with 25-45k exact in less than 2 months, but that is just me. If you have been able to take over keywords like that before easily, then you are doing a great job.

    You seem to know what you are doing, so just keep doing it slowly for the next few weeks and you will rank.
     
  8. flaktrak

    flaktrak Power Member

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    I ranked a site keyword.org within 2 weeks on a keyword with 30k exact matches. The keyword.info I bought 6 months earlier is still no where. The .info has ALOT more backlinks!! So I don't know what to tell you.

    by the way I didn't get the .org orignally because it was parked! 0 backlink history! but the owner let it slip. So I snatched it up. Glad I did.
     
  9. vernonthekiller

    vernonthekiller Newbie

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    hey, how much are you makin with that site? im just curious.
     
  10. MKelly

    MKelly Regular Member

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    I know exactly what you are talking about, usually if I get an exact match domain with medium competition, write a few pages of good useful content, the site pops up in the top three pages and goes up from there, in 6-8 weeks I usually reach the no 1 spot or there abouts.

    This new site I'm working on for the past two or three weeks, same exact match domain, usual quality content written, building up backlinks - not even in the top 1000 for the main keyword yet, still ranking for some longtails though.

    I have noticed strange things happening with Yahoo and Bing too:

    Bing seems to be stepping up it's game and indexed most of my site straight away after a descent backlink or two. Normally it has taken a few months for Bing to index anything other than the homepage, if that.

    Yahoo has indexed five internal pages of my site, but not my homepage, whereas the usual scenario would be it indexes the homepage, and as the weeks go by the internal pages will start showing up.

    I am also seeing a shift of traffic sources, on most of my sites in a certain niche, I'm seeing a much higher percentage than usual from Bing, and Yahoo has gone up slightly too.

    Maybe this is a result of Google fiddling around so much this year:

    • Site image previews & mouseover effects - There's no need to view a tiny image of a site that looks like it's been cut by jagged scissors.
    • A completely useless 'instant search' feature, where you search for a bunch of unrelated jargon before getting to your result.
    • Changing the long-tail algo, so you find more general and less relevant information. - I use Google search almost everyday to find info, and this has annoyed me from a searchers point of view, the whole reason I enter longtail searches is to find narrowed-down and fine tuned search results. I almost always have to use the keyword in quotes to find info now.
    • Local searches spread down the first page - This is madness, almost all of the local sites I have clicked on have been out of date, stale sites with poor content. Not only that, these local listings can be hijacked and manipulated quite easily if you really want to. I have an example of this from myself, I wanted to book a hotel on a recent trip to Naples in Italy, so I searched, at the top of the search were some dreadful, out of date and biased sites from the Napoli hotels before I got to actual trusted booking sites, about the hotels in Naples with the reviews, articles and information I wanted.

    I have started to use Bing myself quite often now, the reasons being that it's still a search engine. Google is slowly becoming an internet tourist guide, taking you around the same few sites it took the last person around that entered a remotely similar search term.

    I just wrote an essay here! Maybe I should become an SEO blogger!
     
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  11. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    Don't look at 6 million results because that is incorrect.

    Your TRUE competition is found by doing "allintitle:your keyword" (without quotes)

    This will tell you exactly what sort of competition you are dealing with.
     
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  12. polocolto

    polocolto Regular Member

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    I only disagree with you on this one cuz i use this feature. The rest is all true.
     
  13. terryuk

    terryuk Junior Member

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    Why don't you make X more sites while your waiting around? Some newer sites of mine are taking longer to appear then others are quick as anything but blasting your sites in the first 3 weeks is extremely transparent
     
  14. lablinks

    lablinks Senior Member

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    What you mean by transparent?
     
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    lablinks Senior Member

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    Hey, thanks for the advice.

    That said, how about high authority sites that don't have all the words in keyword in title, but rank very high? Doesn't that kind of search exclude those sites?
    For instance, I'm working on a keyword right now with 70K exact, where first 2 spots belong to wikipedia & another medical dictionary (don'r remember the freakin name :)) & one of them 1st spot doesn't have the keyword in title & second one has only one of the 2 words.
     
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  16. lablinks

    lablinks Senior Member

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    Mine are not exact match domains, keywordword domains are with I'm working with. Maybe I suck at keyword research, and I do :), but I'm not able to find exact match domains for terms over 25K exact. I wish I could, that would make it so much easier. That said, my domains used to rank OK before not long ago & older ones still rank just fine.
     
  17. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    Those sites you've mentioned have HIGH AUTHORITY, so they will rank on the first page for literally hundreds of thousands of searches.

    If you want to know the REAL Authority of sites, then go to:

    Code:
    http://www.opensiteexplorer.org/
    Anything above a 75 is considered super high authority.
     
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  18. MKelly

    MKelly Regular Member

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    He basically means that Google can see through exactly what you're doing easily.
     
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    dun worry sometimes Google take time to analyze your site and its actual position
     
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    If your worried about it pm me the site and ill take a look at it...