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Did anyone loose rank in the last 24 hours?? Did penguin just do a refresh?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by mikepaxston, May 10, 2012.

  1. mikepaxston

    mikepaxston Registered Member

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    One of my sites that was holding #5 for a keyword just dropped to #55 in the last 24 hours.........

    This was one of 2 major money sites I have....I lost the other one a month ago.

    Looks like penguin did a refresh?

    Has anyone seen anything happening in the last 24 hours or so??
     
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  2. NetMarketer

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    Yes. Almost like a half update beginning yesterday. I noticed this across just about every term I looked at. I was kinda surprised there was no discussion on it.
     
  3. ramarama

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    Yes I noticed that. Had a site which was ranking real well (only 4 months old however) suddenly drop like a stone on the 8th. I didn't pay too much attention as it may or may not be the algorithm or simply the drop off from a new site.

    Interestingly I spent yesterday doing a competitive analysis of a couple of the top sites for the major keyword terms I was targeting in trying to get my head around the latest updates. Really surprised at what I found.

    The number one site, exact match domain name, unique content, high on page keyword density, 2 years old - looks like it makes heavy use of ALN or the like for backlinks (spun articles, three links per article on general topic blogs) and hardly any social signals.

    Links are also heavily keyword loaded with hardly any diversity.

    The plot thickens. For every one theory floating around at the moment there are plenty of examples that trounce it.

    However it does make me wonder if a lot of the smug 'I've not been hit people' are going to be joining the angry hoards soon, as I think this update is going to run and run...
     
  4. mikepaxston

    mikepaxston Registered Member

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    this sounds like the site I had that was just hit......but it was 5 years old and the key words had alot of diversity!!

    the only thing I can think is, I havent updated it in a few months.

    Im a little confused why it was just hit in the last 24 other than it was a refresh or update...............??
     
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    A recovered site plummeted again within the last 24h ... trying to stay positive, grrr
     
  6. crashus

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    I've got up on some of my kws so maybe there was some movement
     
  7. ramarama

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    I really think this is an ongoing update. Every time I have an idea on what could be causing the penalties the idea is quashed the further I look into.

    What I don't get, is that IF some of the theories floating about are correct then this to my mind makes the whole 'sculpting for Google' even more the case than previously.

    If for example, social signals are the way to go, then are only sites that can muster a social interest going to succeed? Then surely that rules out a whole load of sites that are authorities, that don't have the need (or ability) to thrive in the social sphere.

    Similarly if on page keyword density is an issue then does content have to be 'architected' away from the subject matter? Try writing a technical document without mentioning the keyword terms more than 2-3%.

    The same goes for inbound links. Something outside of the web masters control. If your page is about 'blue widgets' then I would suspect that a large amount of links to it would contain the keyword text - certainly a lot more than 10% which some people are suggesting is the threshold for triggering.

    Link velocity? Well lets hope things don't go viral then as that would also spell a penalty.

    To me (and I'd like to think I'm reasonably intelligent) I don't think any logical conclusions at all can be drawn and won't be for a while. All the threads on here about how people have recovered etc I believe, will only be until the next jolt. Maybe there are multiple triggers in the algorithm, maybe updates are only being rolled out on certain sections of the web, in certain niches, or for certain site sizes, ages etc.

    It's certainly hard to work out what the heck is going on for sure...!
     
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  8. ComputerEngineer

    ComputerEngineer Senior Member

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    No. Things are same here.
     
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    One keyword which was ranking post penguin update is disappeared. But it happened around 3 days back for me.
     
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    My sites are doing a lot better now ... go Peguin!
     
  11. R0meo

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    no movements here, yet
     
  12. regmant

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    No movement here either - added 18,000 words as well. Still being buggered by unnatural links I think.
     
  13. EXtraHand

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    One of my site jumped from page 8 to the bottom of page 1 for it's main keyword, it's also ranking on the bottom of page one for most of it's sub keyword..
     
  14. Seo-Devil

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    All good moving up
     
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    I've only been seeing better results on my end over the last 2 months.
     
  16. jollymonsa

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    well if they are pushing for a monthly iteration, then the 8th is about halfway. They do a deep and a surface, but i thought the surface was a monday every week thing.
     
  17. mikepaxston

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    If your sites have moved up since Penguin, share what you are doing so a few of us others can eat to! :israel:
     
  18. crazyz

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    I had a site tank yesterday on google.co.uk, from pos 1 for last 2 months to 24 today, I did all kinds of links, but mostly social bookmarking gigs, the sites that didnt have the bookmarking gigs are doing fine
     
  19. lanbo

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    i'm not seeing any rank drops here
     
  20. bigwhite

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    No rank drops for me either.