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Demonoid Got Banned - criminal investigatigation on process! Is BHW Next?

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  1. vjkumar

    vjkumar Registered Member

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    Demonoid Domain Sale Banned Over Legal Issues

    After several turbulent weeks with DDoS attacks, the shutdown of its servers and a criminal investigation into the site?s owners, trouble continues for the Demonoid BitTorrent tracker. After the site?s domain names were put up for sale last week, domain market place Sedo has now delisted them citing ?legal issues.? As time progresses the hope of a comeback for what was once one of the largest BitTorrent communities continues to fade.


    [​IMG]After being pulled offline by a DDoS and suspected hacker attack, nearly two weeks ago news broke that Demonoid?s servers had been shutdown in the Ukraine.


    The action followed a request from Interpol, with the music group IFPI later taking credit for the takedown. While some of Demonoid?s users still expect the site to reopen with a new hosting provider, a comeback appeared less likely when the three main Demonoid domains were listed for sale last week.


    Demonoid.me, Demonoid.com and Demonoid.ph were put up for sale at the popular domain name and website marketplace Sedo, but as it turned out, not for long. Two of the three domain names have now been de-listed due to legal issues.


    Anyone wishing to buy the .PH or .COM domain now see the following message;

    ?Due to possible legal issues associated with this domain, Sedo is not able to offer services for the domain. Please consider selecting an alternative domain.?


    Interestingly, the .ME domain which acted as the primary Demonoid address for more than a year, has not been de-listed by Sedo.


    Banned over ?legal issues?

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    We contacted Sedo who informed us that while they take a neutral position in copyright issues, the company has an obligation to protect its users.


    ?In addition to processing notice-takedown complaints from third-party rights holders, Sedo also employs an internal listing suspension policy when we?re made materially aware of a domain that is either subject to ownership dispute or under investigation by relevant law enforcement,? a Sedo spokesperson told TorrentFreak.


    ?This is done to protect potential buyers from purchasing a domain where its use and ownership could be threatened after the purchase for unforeseen circumstances. In such situations, the listing user is informed and once they can provide documentation demonstrating the domain?s clear title, the listing will be reinstated.?


    While Sedo said it ?can?t go into specifics?, the company suggested that no third-party or law enforcement group had ordered the de-listing of the domains. Sedo did not respond to our question why the main .ME domain is still for sale.


    At the moment TorrentFreak hasn?t heard from Demonoid as to why the domains are being sold, or what this means for the site?s future. If there is any.


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  2. vjkumar

    vjkumar Registered Member

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    Looks like Demonoid is gone for ever....

    I also heard news and other people from states in FBI stating, they are getting a Law to Ban all the BlackHat website to ensure quality and security of internet from hackers and Underground world, where copyright products are shared in community. So does it mean our BHW is also in danger.

    What do you think guys. Imagine all the Blackhat site shut down. Thats will be a total curose over underground community. I feel so bad for Demonoid. I loved that site.. So much quality torrent and heavily monitors all went on vain.
     
  3. necro

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    I'm pretty sure BHW cant be responsible for the content, which is created by their users.

    Also if anyone has a DMCA complient, they can conntact the mods and even to see the downloads, you need to be a member in which case you agree with the ToS.

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      It is our policy to respond to notices of alleged infringement that  comply with the United States Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA")  or other applicable law and to terminate the accounts of repeat  infringers. Uploading any copyrighted material to this site without the  express permission of the copyright holder is prohibited. Do not try to  use any sneaky tactics, or provide downloads that contains anything  malicious such as Spyware, Adware, Warez, Viruses, Trojans, etc…, as  such tactics will result in a ban of your account if we are notified.  Please check your uploaded files for viruses BEFORE uploading them by  scanning them for free at jotti.org. 
      If you have a good faith belief that a copyright in your work has  been infringed on the Site, or your intellectual property rights have  been otherwise violated, please notify BlackHatworld's agent for notice  of claims of copyright or other intellectual property infringement at  "Abuse/at/BlackHatWorld.com." 
      Please provide the following in your Notice: 
      a) Identify the material on the Site that you claim is infringing, with enough detail so that we may locate it on the Site; 
      b) A statement by you that you have a good faith belief that the  disputed use is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the  law; 
      c) A statement by you declaring under penalty of perjury that (1) the  above information in your notice is accurate, and (2) that you are the  owner of the copyright interest involved or that you are authorized to  act on behalf of that owner; 
      d) Any other information as may be required by the DMCA and applicable law. 
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      Users outside of the United States agree to comply with applicable laws regarding online conduct and acceptable content. 
     You agree to follow specific forum rules as detailed in thread announcements, deviations may result in a ban. 
    Which states BHW sight of Content and responsibilty ;).

    So Registering on BHW and banning BHW, because of downloads is not useful in court, since you would need to show proof, what you only can when you are member after you accept their ToS.

    But then again it's always about how good your and their lawyer is...
     
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  4. vjkumar

    vjkumar Registered Member

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    Yes you are absolutely true. I think our BHW community Mods to look into these and see its all good.

    But even those policy measure will not be able to justify the share of Copyright Materials shared here in Download section. Copyright Materials are Copyright Materials right. What ever the Policy of BHW will place it on hand to users still ultimately it will be responsibility of the Site owner I believe.

    I am not good into Law n stuff. But what I understand about these Copyright LAW from FBI is that, Demoniod also had same Policy like BHW.

    I just dont want the Demonoid fate to be to our BHW community.

    From past 2 years first thing in the morning, What I do is check my Gmail and BHW threads. Felt to share with you all. Hope our community will be of away from FBI radar.
     
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    US Government needs to stop trying to control the internet when they don't even under stand it.

    Too bad about Demonoid.
     
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    no matter what they do, there is always a tendency among the old-skoolers to re-group using one keyword or another...
     
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    Yes you are right.... DO you some countries Govt are bring law to Ban Facebook. Not just that.... They even Want to BAN GOOGLE itself. Imagine...
     
  8. necro

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    In court all that matters is lawyer vs lawyer, if they have the better lawyer you can get burned with as many proofs as you wan't.

    On second hand, this is also a forum with a lot of mods which were already confronted with the law and they have the money to defend them, not as a torrent ring which is made by one person.
     
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    This is soo typical of the fcktard US Government.... It sucks that countries like Ukraine of all places are giving into U.S. bully tactics. The Federal Bureau of Ignorance should catch a wake up and focus on their own problems in their own country...copyright infringement does't KILL people. They should focus their crime fighting efforts on crimes that cause the loss of human lives like Gang related violence, K.K.K w@nkers, Drug cartels, etc... but they are a bunch of pussy's and are too scared to go after those kind of criminals... Oh well, I guess as I stated earlier it boils down to PROFIT... Copyright infringement kills profit and that is far more important than human life as far as the U.S. Government is concerned....
     
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    They can kill a website, but they will never be able to kill an IDEA.
    They don't have any reason to even try to close BHW, lol. There is no law that obligates the webmasters to use only white hat SEO tactics, lol:greddy2:.
     
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    Yaaaa... I guess in next 5-10 years if Rules come out this way.. Internet Marketers should stop all online business and go back to stone age... LOL
     
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    simple solution for BHW:
    remove the download section.
    then BHW would not have to worry about that kind of trouble.
    additionally it also could help to increase the forum quality because then many users who are only here for leeching would go somewhere else.
    and lastly downloading copyrighted stuff (doesn't matter if WSO or anything else) is stealing.
    so it would also prevent many users of being thieves.
    if you REALLY need something you should buy it.
     
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    I believe removing download section may not the solution coz people come to blackhat to get things for FREE right. I think some more constructive solution needed to be taken for such problem.

    Also you know, as BTW rules are pretty strict now in the download section as major of the stuff rounds on "Do not Share List" Already... and many people from Our BHW started moving out to other forums to get those software's. For example - the SEO software "SENUKE" Crack most people are behind it, in BHW its under "DO not Share List". So many move out from this forum looking for those sources. And you knwo what First time when I saw the BHW "Do not share list" I was about to faint myself. LOL...
     
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    still BHW is about blackhat SEO and blackhat internet marketing in my opinion and not about "blackhat getting things for free".
     
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    Can't be next, its a nonsense. Demonoid was a torrent website, so we should expect to see some other torrents sites closing, not IM forums.
     
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    How come Demonoid can't replicate itself as TPB did?

    The government better not mess with BHW, their sites will get shot.
     
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    [irony]
    oh yes, good idea and quality comment.
    this would help BHW enormous to keep away serious legal trouble.
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    think twice about it and if you are clever you will see the stupidity in the comment
    instead of preventing getting into trouble you better take the risk and if worst comes to worst you recommend to fuck the stuff really up with harming government webites...
    if here were only people with that kind of ideas and attitude BHW better should shut down right now.

    anyway, back to topic if BHW could be next to shutdown.
    if BHW would just be what it should be and the users would be willed to use it just as what it should be, namely a blackhat internet marketing forum and no warez forum, no blackhat hacking forum, no download section etc...
    just an internet marketing forum where not only the white side is being discussed, there would be nothing to be worried about.
    sure, once we had a cookie stuffing section here and e-whoring and stuff.
    Then BHW got legal issues for it, sections were shut down, everything´s fine.
    so if users (not all, but many) would stop their cheap attitude to get everything for free to download and better concentrate on learning and making moneythen no one would have to worry about legal issues for BHW and in the end many could also afford to buy the stuff they would have downloaded before.
     
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    Cool.. Thats the spirit... Between were you planning to take down FBI Website. hahaha. LOL
     
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    Are you guys dumb? Of course we shall not take that as a legal defense, how stupid are you?

    The downloads section is the only one that can cause trouble, everything else shared here is totally legal compliant (see bh vs illegal). If they decide to come after it then we can close it temporarily until we find a solution. The downloads section is the arsenal for an IM career.
     
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    good joke, you want to build a career on free downloads?
    i built my career on clever ideas and good marketing, and that successful for 7 1/2 years now.
    sad when you need free downloads for your career.
    if you would open a car repair shop would you better buy your tools or would you also say you need to steal the tools to build the career?
    and if you really need to download internet marketing stuff there are sites that concentrate on that topic like thevault for example.
    in my opinion the users here with what they post, what their goals are and how they behave here play a real big part at BHW´s appearance, how BHW is and what it is used for.
    when many people see it as necessary to download free stuff to start their career then good night, i don´t believe people with thast kind of mindset will succeed at all.
    if everyone would concentrate more on serious marketing (and that is in my opinion what BHW was made for) i think more people would succeed and also would learn to value things more.

    but as always, that´s only my very own opinion about things.
     
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