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Degree that Will Help me most in IM?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by joaquin112, Oct 23, 2010.

  1. joaquin112

    joaquin112 Regular Member

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    So it's that time of my life when I have to decide what to actually study. I know that I want to do IM for a living, so in your opinion which degree will help me most?
     
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    Why do you need a degree to do IM? If you already KNOW you want to do IM for a living, why beat around the bush? Just dive right in. If you absolutely INSIST on spending money on a piece of paper, look into marketing.
     
  3. Kencake

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    I would think some sort of programming. There isn't really a course for coming up with great ideas, but programming helps you bring those great ideas into reality. Programming as in like coding and stuff. Not sure if they're the same thing haha ;)
     
  4. shudogg

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    I have actually wondered this too. Would be great if someone answers it.

    EDIT: You can outsource programming. The best programmer can still not make shit online if he doesn't understand marketing.

    Some people want a degree to make themselves feel better. Also, if you are proposing how your internet marketing business can help a company, having a degree related behind you may help you seal the deal. There are a lot of reason's why you would want a degree.

    I imagine there isn't a degree for "online marketing" but marketing in general. It would strengthen someone already fairly good at online marketing.
     
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    I would go for programming or a degree in business or marketing by the time you are in the midlle of it and knowing a lot of php, c# or the decided , you will be a supermod here (that's the best degree for IM I know )

    Al
     
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    Degree?? By the time you finish degree you can have million in your account so why doing this?

    Degree wont help you in any way as much as this forum, people and yourself.

    Most of degrees are created to teach masses to follow instructions, thats not what IM is about.

    Question is - are you masses?
     
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    I feel that the best 'classes' involve losing $x,xxx on an IM campaign - you'll never make the same mistakes after that :)

    As for getting an actual degree....Web design/Coding would be awesome.
     
  9. deviatus

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    With internet marketing, you don't need a degree to make a site. Half the reason for college is to get credentials you need for a job, in addition to knowledge. You don't need a degree for self-employment.

    But for knowledge, is it more useful to go for business/marketing or computer science? Right now I value the computer smarts a lot more. Basic business/marketing principles are either common sense or can to intuited if you're smart.
     
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    this guy summed it up perfectly
     
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    There is only one rational reason to get a degree, and that is to cover your ass if you fail at IM.

    The degree is a credential, and if you want a JOB, you will need credentials, unless you want to go into sales or manual labor.

    The only credential you need for IM is your brain. The market cares about what your brain comes up with, it doesn't care if you went to freaking Yale.

    Every moment you spend in some worthless class is a moment you aren't learning this business, and this business changes very fast, 1 year here is 10 years in, say, bricks and mortar retail.

    Programming might be a good thing to learn, but I have yet to meet any passionate programmer who wasn't almost entirely self-taught. And I can't imagine that after four years of school you'll know even 10% of what the top 10% of this forum know. And none of them need to do it themselves anyway- they can pay people to do it for them.

    Now, if you really feel you have to go to school to get that degree, then do IM 10 hours a day and sleep 5 hours a night and have no friends (except those who know IM). But if you want to go to school, fool around on BHW a few hours a week, drink beer and try to get laid and half ass IM, don't bother. Half ass school, not IM.

    If going to school is something you're really doing for YOU, then you are probably better suited to being part of the machine. Sell your soul, get a degree, get a job with some respectable company, buy a beige car, marry a woman who tells you what color shirt you are allowed to wear, have two kids and pretend to be happy on the slow, smooth electric train to death.

    If that's what you really want, don't do it for your parents, do it because YOU are a scared little sellout.

    If you don't, then reject that world and jump in with both feet. If you fail, no shame, you will have done what most people only talk about. You can feel good about having gone for it.

    You can always go back to school.
     
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    Actually there is...I see the ads all the time popping up on big G.
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    http://online.fullsail.edu/degrees/internet-marketing-bachelors
    LOL...may be interesting to see what they actually teach you.
     
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    And by the time it gets in the textbooks and is absorbed and taught by the teachers.... it's already irrelevant.

    Internet and IM changes drastically year to year, so the best option to stay on top of it is to do it self-teach. With lots of occupations, it's hard to get in the real world work environment until massive preparation.... but anyone can log onto the net and be immersed in it now.
     
  14. GeoffreyF67

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    As a programmer for 20 years I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.

    G-Man
     
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  15. J1218

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    As most others said, why waste your time getting a degree if you know you wanna do IM full time?

    If you're one of those people that wants to get a degree just because it seems like "the normal thing to do" and because everyone else wants you to, I suggest not bothering with it. Save all that time and money and put it into IM.

    Universities teach you to work for other people. It will teach you nothing about being your own boss and being an entrepreneur.
     
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    Go for marketing and programming as mentioned.

    Nothing would beat a skilled coder who understands the market.

    And if you feel like studying that´s the correct thing to do to improve yourself. Don´t listen to people who say they wouldn´t need a degree for this or for that, they´re just lazy.
     
  17. J1218

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    Can't speak for others, but my lack of wanting a degree or going to college in general has nothing to do with laziness. I just don't wanna waste 4 years of my life and $80,000 or whatever the hell school costs these days when I don't need it when I can be spending all that time and money on growing my business.

    If what you want to do with your life requires college, then by all means go. But if what you want to do doesn't need it, then in my opinion it's pointless.
     
  18. kimkils

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    Pick something generic and quite easy. Enjoy your time at Uni, meet lots of people and make friends with new and interesting people, network yourself. IM is a somewhat minimally social career, so use Uni to make sure your social life flourishes.
     
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    Get a degree in phycology and marketing. You will know how to reach your customers and how to play them to your advantage.
     
  20. imperial109

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    Get your degree in computer engineering. It's hard as hell but you learn a lot of stuff that you can easily combine with IM and bank big. Think XRumer and ScrapeBox...