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Degree or not Degree

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by squelsh, Aug 10, 2009.

  1. squelsh

    squelsh Regular Member

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    Not planning on going to University but I was just remembering when I was in school, getting a degree was the only way forward. If you weren't going to University you weren't going anywhere in life.

    Having not gone to university and working a day job in seo, I've found this not to be true - although I can understand how this might be different for other professions.

    How many people here have degrees and how useful has it been to you?
     
  2. sonneti

    sonneti Regular Member

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    I don't.. I went to uni and partied for 4 years.. failed 1 module with 37 marks and one module with 35 marks if I had got 40 in either of them I would now hold a degree. Both modules were taught by the course co-coordinator and he wasn't qualified.. lol bastard.

    You should realize though the whole point of a degree is not what you learn its about having a certificate that says:

    Yes I know how to play the game of passing a course
    I may also have the following talents

    • Telling people my grandparents just died when I haven't handed in my coursework/failed an exam.
    • Plagiarizing
    • Sometimes attending almost one whole class per week.
    • Plagiarizing
    • Manipulation through either pity or being best friends with all the lecturers!
    • Plagiarizing
    • Survive almost entirely on a diet of weed and alcohol
    • Plagiarizing
    • Defrauding banks of student loan monies
     
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  3. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    Sonneti is bang on - literally everything on that list, I did. Here's a snapshot of my hectic university life - although, unfortunately, my cat got sick so I was unable to make it to my HIST238 workshop that time.

    tough week.jpg

    There's one difference though - I finished and did well. The advantages are: respect (from some people incl. friends and family), a pass-card to interview at graduate jobs should I need to go that way (god I hope not), and partying. At what other time in your life will you be able to do the stuff you did at college?
     
  4. sefi00

    sefi00 Junior Member

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    Couldn't agree more.

    And while I didn't officially get a degree, it says I did on my CV and noone has ever checked/called me up on it. (just saying, not condoning that)

     
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    Degree earns you a respect in the soceity which you live.
    If you are skilled you can get a high paying job.

     
  6. pasdoy

    pasdoy Power Member

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    Degree is very important. It's fun to do some SEO, makign some money online, but with a degree on something very good, it's better. You can say I am making like 1000$/day, but it won't last long. I prefer to get a degree, and be sure to make money, and do some marketing for my own fun.

    With a degree, depending on what, you can make much much money. Someone I know in my family is working for one of the biggest airplane company, making 308$/H, something I wont make in black hat 365 days a year.
     
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    Hahaha I agree, to me a degree is important. But not a shitty degree, a good degree. A degree from a Uni that sucks wont help much.
     
  8. squelsh

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    I think overall this is true. If you are planning on working for someone else all your life then go to university. You will probably earn more than those who didnt go to university and you will probably have an easier life.

    If on the otherhand you are planning on working for yourself and make a little money this is a different matter. I wouldnt say theres no point in going to university (a degree could get you a nice job and some connections before you dive into self-employment) but a degree will never give you the skills needed to make money and run your own business - even if you take a business course.
     
  9. lazyentrepreneur

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    Instead of believing that future employers would look at my transcript and the difficulty of my professors and courses, I wish I would have taken all the easy classes so I would have aced all of my classes. Not one employer is going to check on who the fuck your professors were or the difficulty of the courses. And quite frankly, I've only had one employer ask me about my GPA. The rest didn't give a shit. It might in the legal or medical profession, but not for most jobs.

    Get your degree and learn how to slay lots of poon during that time for when you are older and have money to spend on dates for the girls who won't agree to go home with you the same night you meet them. Also, don't bother with some worthless humanities degree. Get something useful like economics or learn a skill like programming.
     
  10. wowhaxor

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    I think it is probably a good thing. That being said I am a high school drop out. I tried some college but just partied and never got a degree even though I went for a while.

    I work online and make more money than most people I meet my age who work a lot more than me. So, I guess it all depends.
     
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    I have met so many wildly successful people in my life that don't have degrees. I also know quite a few that DO have a degree. IMO it's not the degree itself that is helping you. It's the confidence you project when you have a degree. If you can be confident, it doesn't matter if you have a degree or not.

    If I could have / not have one...of course I would have it. But I do plenty well for myself without a degree. I get by on ambition, hustle, creativity, and persistence.
     
  12. low key

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    nah. but thanks.
    edit: wow I'm tired. Forget it.
     
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  13. Abacus

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    Ten years from now you may decide that you want to change your life and you won't have a degree. You will have more responsibilities, maybe kids and less time. If you go to school you will just be the old guy getting his degree. The time to go to college is when you are young. Go to school and have fun now. No one can ever take a degree away from you. People who do not have a degree are usually the ones who say it doesn't matter. I have never heard anyone say the regretted getting a college degree. It's not just about the money you think you will or won't make with a college degree.
     
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  14. smoov1

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    It depends. Me personally i think degrees now days are BULL SHIT, college has become big business. I have many many many friends with degrees of all kinds shapes and sizes and all they do is complain about the money they are making and paying back loans. I make at least 4 times more then all of them and I have to admit that I feel dam good knowing that I was one of the only ones from my high school class that never attended college but yet somehow at our high school reunion I was the only one driving a s550 Benz!! Nobody with a degree that I know is even coming close to the level of comfort and success im feeling. Me choosing not to go to college might be the best decision I have ever made in my life! I have been making money online for about 10 years now, and im clocking well into the 6 figures every year consistently just to sit on my ass and my income is only growing! Some people are content with working for someone for the rest of their lives and having someone else determine how much money they can and cannot make. getting a degree is the safe option and it guarantees ok money, but that is what you can expect with a degree in most cases OK money... not ROCK STAR MONEY!! I love the fact that I can travel when I want, take off when I want and do whatever I want because i am my own boss. Also, a masters degree is where the bachelors degree used to be and a bachelors degree is not worth anything. So the days of going to college and getting a good job with a bachelors degree is over because you can get those same jobs without a bachelors degree. So if you do shoot for a degree be prepared to get nothing less then a masters if you want to make anything worth your time. But hey, I'm glad there are so many people who choose to get their degrees because they are afraid not to, because if everyone chose to take my route, and say F*** college!! it would not be so easy for me. SO ON THAT NOTE I SAY THANK YOU COLLEGE GRADS!!!! :p
     
  15. enrikole

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    did you know that over 60% of UK self made millionaires did not even finish college :)
     
  16. scrupio

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    All depends what you want to do with life. I have to say i actually made my money while i was in college. Thats when the Internet marketing thing caught on to me. The thing is if you do make money on this dont blow it all of on fancy cars and big houses, invest immediately into other things. That way you have something to fall back on. For me i was 3 years into college and only had a year left so im to close to graduating (4 more months! ) I"ve got to say though my college years have been the best years of my life, its not really always about making money. I've made tons and i've got to say it really means nothing, but i have made life long friends here at college. I' pusued a degree in business/entreprenuership so it really helped me open my eyes and learn a lot more things. Just dont get a bullshit degree get a degree that actually might be useful for you. Finance is def a good way to go, you get to take marketing classes (not IM but retail and shit) accounting, insurance, real estate, management,etc. All this stuff comes into play when you start a business with employees and stuff. You just get welll rounded, you just dont know internet marketing and thats it. You cant put a price tag on knowledge. Thats my 2 cents :)
     
  17. jmascis

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    I have a buddy that never got a degree and still had a very successful IT career. On the flip side, he is always paranoid about not advancing in his company when up against other college graduates.