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Dear Writers: Where Do You Find Quality Clients?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by coreygeer, Aug 17, 2012.

  1. coreygeer

    coreygeer BANNED BANNED

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    As someone who has been on the hiring and the employed side of content writing; I can tell you first hand that it's a terrible experience. The world is full of low rent shit bags.

    I've been a content writer for years. I've produced high quality sales letters, cover letters, articles, forum posts, etc. I've dealt with about every kind of nationality client you can think of.

    Most of the clients I meet

    - Try to low ball you under $1.00 per 100 words. As if $1.00 per 100 words wasn't already pathetic enough. After a while they try to lower you down to $3.50 per 500 words. (On another note, why is everyone obsessed with 500 words? Someone has the incorrect notion that Google considers 500 words to be the optimal amount of words to rank something highly).

    - They go MIA on you. I have several clients right now I was told I'd hear back from the next day or in a few days. For some of them, it's been weeks.

    - They have a RIDICULOUS amount of requirements. Take IWriter for example. Some of the Special Instructions people leave for articles are about as long as the articles they're requesting.

    I'm tired of writing for low rent clients for a pitiful $1.00 per 100 words. I read a thread on the Warrior Forum that intrigued me. It was a post complaining about someone's payment terms and several people there were claiming that they were making $5,$10, or even higher for every 100 words. I was shocked and pissed at the same time that I could be making 5 to 10 times more what I've been making.

    So are these jobs real? Are people really finding work for $5 to $15 per 100 words? Also, if people really are finding quality clients who are willing to pay for quality, where are writers finding them? I'm not much for writing but unfortunately, I'm good at it. If I was a master of jQuery, JavaScript or PHP I would much rather be doing that for much higher pay. However, since I'm good at writing, I have to go with this.

    So, if any of you have any insight on where you find quality clients (Hell, even for $2.00 per 100 words), I'd love to hear your insight.
     
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    yes its true. I am also looking for quality clients.
     
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    i payed much more than that for hq content. i used textbroker, you can work to the top if your content gets rated good. last time i payed 25 € for an press release writing that was actual for press guys and not only for link building.
     
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  4. jmirko15

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    Last time I read about $5-$30 per 100 words were writing for big online newspaper sites.

    The thing is that the quality is overrated nowadays (a big % doesn't really care..) and since the competition is high the prices go down.. Also buyers need a ton of articles written but they are not willing (or are ready) to pay for it..
     
  5. dubious

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    Back when I worked for a Project Manager, we would charge $120/hr for a copywriter to the client, copywriters makes $70/hr and at minimum $30/hr if they were a junior. That is the advantage with working in an agency because they're the ones dealing with the client, so I would be the one managing the clients with procurement documents, requirements etc and dealing between the copywriter and the project stakeholders to ensure the requirements are met.

    All the copywriters we'd use were freelancers/contractors and seemed to be making a decent living. Are their any digital agencies in your area you could contact to organise some kind of partnership with? You can do it with multiple agencies and if you have a strong portfolio of work that is published on the web you can definitely rely on them for steady paid work. Working purely freelance without any partners is a hassle because the quality of clients are really low.
     
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  6. coreygeer

    coreygeer BANNED BANNED

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    Wow... I must say, I'm glad to hear this information and kind of pissed at the exact same time. Thousands of hours and who knows how many articles written at a mere $1.00 per 100 words.

    I've never used Textbroker before but I'm definitely going to check that one out now. I live in a pretty small town so I think Digital Agency is out of the question but I'm going to have to look up Digital Agencies.
     
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    coreygeer,

    I have to say, being in the content industry for 3 years, I found your feedback interesting.

    Here is some editorial I would give you about your post, which is not meant to slant you, but challenge you and any writer in your profession.

    - There is never a shortage of clients willing to pay you what you are worth, but often times poor marketing on your part to get those clients.
    - If you don't set expectations to begin with, you will not get the results you want.
    - Content writing is not different than any sales job, so always have your pipeline filled beyond what you think you can handle, because there will always be people, clients, that will not work out.
    - If you don't like the platforms that offer content opportunities, then create your own website and build a business.

    Well, that was a nice bashing?!? What can you do with it?

    Another great question! :)

    - Create a Writer Marketing Plan that outlines exactly how you are going to get the great clients that you want.
    - In your WMP, identify all the places where you can write content or find clients.
    - In your WMP, set clear client acquisition goals and timelines to meet them.
    - In your WMP, determine all the products and services you will offer to your clients.
    - In your WMP, decide how much you want to make, add 30% for that and make that your goal.

    In the end, you will have many more answers to the questions that plague you and other writers.

    Again, this is not meant to bash you AT ALL, but to hopefully provide you some practical tips to find more clients!

    And, I need to still give you one disclaimer.... even the best plans don't turn out as we hope, but having a clear plan is better than not.

    Let me know what you think and I truly hope this helps!

    Shawn
     
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    Something to think about, not sure if this has been stated before but you could type in Google article writing services or whatever and see the big name service providers pop up.

    Visit each website and contact them directly through e-mail and introduce yourself and state something along the lines that you are looking for more work / articles, and maybe give a link to a profile you have.

    I have done this in the past and landed a couple of writing gigs that generated 5 - 10 articles daily for me (could have gotten more, but had other things going on and the pay was at least $1.00 per 100 words with the option for higher paying articles for authority needs.

    Hope that helps man
     
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  9. subster

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    specifying on a niche and getting expert status can be good also. if you want to make it in product descrptions for ecommerce i have a really nice premium domain which i can hand over to you for free if you want it.
     
  10. krishnaverma

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    I had also been writing for last 4-5 months. I offer $1 per 100 words and discounts for bulk orders too. I do not think that I have exceptional writing skills but I try to compensate it with more research and quality service. There might be people paying $2 or $5 per 100 words but the number of orders will be less. Also, if you see the most successful content writing services on BHW, they are below the $1 per 100 mark.

    The problem with websites like iwriter is that your work may get rejected and it can be extremely discouraging. I had made a lot of money on iwriter but finally left it due to funny reasons provided by clients for rejection. When I compare the returns with other services, I do get a feeling to start learning other things as well.
     
  11. dubious

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    You can always try cold calling, they will be used to getting cold calls on a daily basis for all sorts of things (printers, outsourcing, couriers etc) but if you call a whole bunch, organise some kind of rate they could use the services or keep you on file. Sending them an email about your services with links to your work and a couple of client testimonials would help with your conversion rate. If you want to go the extra mile, mail them a nice printed proposal / sales letter of your services; they would likely to keep it lying around if they have no in-house copy writers.

    Location shouldn't be an issue if you work remotely, as long as you're in the same time zone and are available during working hours you can always be in contact via the phone or by email/skype.

    Here is a quick export of Ohio Digital Agencies you might want to research, hopefully this could bring you steady and well paid work.
     

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    Many comments have been made already and I am sure by the time I finish posting this comment, the number will pile even further. When I entered in writing domain, I started writing at a very low rate since I wasn't aware of the market but over a period of time I realized that I am going no where if I keep writing at the rate I was working. This is when I read a lot about the methods to charge more and more, and why do some writers end up getting paid $5-$10 per 100 words while others get a meager $3-$4 per 500 words or sometimes even less. Here are some basic pointers:

    1) A well-paid writer is generally the one who markets himself fabulously. He creates a website which marks his presence online. He posts free articles on different article search engines. He knows that his any random guy can be his prospective client and the more visible he is, the more are his chances to get paid well.

    2) A well-paid writer works extremely hard on building a brand which people can remember when they are in need of getting some work done. Rather than wasting his time on shitty tasks, he slogs his ass on creating a very strong portfolio. A majority of writers who are paid less, generally, don't have any online reputation, and this is one of the reasons why they are paid so low. Since they don't have a brand of their own, they can't prove themselves. They've to act like beggars front of clients in order to get jobs. However, things are different in case a writer has built a strong brand name of his own. In his case, tables are turned, and it is the client who wants to get him on-board to get his task done.

    3) A well-paid writer never compromises. Most of the writers, I have seen, reduce their rates when there's drought of jobs in their kitty. This is where negativity starts. Once you start reducing your base price, then everything starts collapsing. You're sending signal to your subconscious that you're now not worth the rate you've been charging in the past. A well-paid writer makes sure to keep the bar so high that there's never a point to look down.

    I hope this makes sense. Most of us know the answers but their implementation is the key. Those who implement are the ones who get paid well.
    Btw look for Internet marketing and SEO companies in your country. They pay handsomely. Cheers :)
     
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  13. imserious

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    This is one of the many threads on BHW where writers have been complaining of low pay.

    What i do not understand is that if you are really good writers and do your work seriously, why the hell you don't do PLR.

    Tiffany dow is a prime example ( selling more than $10,000 of PLR in one day, yes - one day ) of making good money from PLR.

    Even if you don't have the topic research skill, just go to her site and copy the topics and then start selling PLR at 50 cents an article - you are much likely to make more money.
     
  14. coreygeer

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    Oh believe me, IWriter is cancer of article writing.

    Looking through the task list now, most of the clients there have an approval rate of 0-50%. I don't write for IWriter anymore because the requirements are ridiculous, and they expect top notch quality for less than $1.00 per 100 words.

    I have seen plenty of people offer services for cheap but it depends on what kind of quality you want.

    I've done a little math here. Let's say you only have time to write 5 500 word articles every single day. Without missing a single day, here's how much you'll make:

    $1/100 Words - $750/Monthly / $9,000/Yearly
    $2/100 Words - $1,500/Monthly / $18,000/Yearly
    $3/100 Words - $2,250/Monthly / $27,000/Yearly
    $5/100 Words - $3,750/Monthly / $45,000/Yearly

    That's a hell of a difference just for a $1/100 Words increase.

    @Dubious - I'm going to check out these Ohio Digital Agencies. Cold calling is a lot better than door to door sales; I almost got sucked into that by a company in Dublin.
     
  15. dubious

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    Sure, glad to help. Don't just limit yourself to Digital Agencies, try Internet Marketing, SEO firms; basically any type of business that deals with Marketing Communications.

    If you need to generate leads, grab Easy Lead Finder from the Downloads section.