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Dealing with assholes

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jackccl, Nov 24, 2009.

  1. jackccl

    jackccl Registered Member

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    Before I begin, no I'm not starting a thread about how to get rid of ones competition..

    A friend of mine and I got into IM recently, we helped each other along the way. Several of my sites rose to the top of google and started earning me money, but his are on page 2-3 or are ranking for keywords that don't convert.

    While rechecking some of my high pr backlinks I noticed a new competitor for my same exact keyword. At first I didn't care since I'm on top but after going through 9-10 pr4+ backlinks i realized this guy is following me.

    I clicked on his site and that's when I realized its the guy that I've been friends with. Appearently he thinks he will outrank me on google and start earning money with the tips that I gave him and content that is almost the same exact copy of my site.

    In no way do I take his little site as a serious threat to me, but for being such little ass hole I feel like something must be done. I mean who goes and back stabs someone who is trying to help you out.

    So what would you do in my position? Confronting him is not an option, hes an immature dumbass who just runs away from his problems.


    And also I've learned a valuable lesson from all this.. Do not share your secrets with ANYONE. It might just come back and bite you in the ass ;)
     
  2. Jagged55

    Jagged55 Power Member

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    Me and a close friend compete in a lot of the same niches for the same keywords and share info with each other....we don't share money though. Just be adult about it and have a talk with him and set some ground rules. Friendship is worth more than a few bucks you guys will make in a shitty niche.
     
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    blackhataffiliate Senior Member

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    I know this is going to sound dumb, but just let him be. I have found the hard way that karma sucks and he will get his in the end. The best revenge is living well and in this case, you are earning more and have better serp results, so I guess that would be considered living well.
     
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    Ahh such a delicious situation you have here, full of so many opportunities for a callous, pre-meditated revenge.

    You obviously have here a moron. One fortunately you know fairly well, as the old quip goes, 'know thy enemy'.

    Throughout your revenge, keep up a pretence of being very good friends with him. Go out your way to chat and help him.

    Though I cannot provide many details about what you should do, they way I would go about organizing it is

    1. Target income.
    As you know he is copying youre every action lead him on a wild goose chase. Start throwing in random keywords that will not convert at all whilst telling him in real life how well it is going. I don't know much about keywords, but if you can somehow get him to copy a fakir site all the better.

    2. The rumour mill
    If you have any mutual friends, espcially those that are closer to you than him, I recommend start an earnest back stabbing campaign. Now normally I wouldn't advocate such machiavellian tactics, but this guys a real douche right? Be sublt to begin with and never be obviously back chatting.

    3. Scam him
    Firstly, leave sublte hints about an ebook that is getting you all these fantastic tactics you are using. Some kind of secret bible you use to get you ranked first. Then when he enquires seem embarrased as if you spilled the beans.
    As his interest increases from you veil of silence find an opportune moment to 'spill the beans', for example, get drunk or pretend to be drunk and have a moment of 'honesty'.
    Then as his desire is around the peak, show him some faked earnings pages, send him a helping hand of pity. Tell him you are willing to show him where you bought this book from.
    Create a fake sales page from a template for a pricey IM Ebook that you got from Digital forums.
    He will buy it. You get the money.

    You are merely limited by your imagination
     
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  5. jackccl

    jackccl Registered Member

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    Exactly the kind of response I was looking for :)
     
  6. BenQs

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    Well, you can do all that stuff that raggoman suggests, but that's time and energy expended. Sure, you'll get some satisfaction in the short term, but you can spend weeks or months trying to get back at some little weasel and waste an enormous amount of effort. Concentrate on your campaigns instead. I would do something to make sure he knows I know what he's doing, but then cut all ties and let him come crawling back for help. And then just ignore him.
     
  7. bigluv

    bigluv Newbie

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    Be a man, man up, and tell him you noticed that this is going on and you feel sortof betrayed.
    See what he has to say.
     
  8. xplicit

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    Dealing with assholes is easy, get you a Proctologist. :icon16:
     
  9. raggoman

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    My pleasure, Jack
     
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    ikorky Junior Member

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    lol dam you guys are mean..lol, i would just leave it alone and dont update him anymore or help him, you should never tell you trade secrets to those that may compete against you.
     
  11. poisonsembrace

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    To be a true friend means keeping that friendship through ups and downs. People make mistakes and perhaps his intentions are not as malicious as you think they are. Maybe he's just trying to emulate what you're doing because he thinks you know what you're doing.

    As someone else said, be a man about it and confront him. Don't be an asshole about it but be straight to the point. Don't waste your energy on negative shit. I'm not saying ignore it, but don't allow it to upset you or disrupt your own goals etc. Be assertive yet calm. He might surprise you with his answer.

    This is the sort of stuff i wish i was cluey about when i was a little younger. So much wasted time and energy on shit that doesn't even matter years later.
     
  12. ArthurDent42

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    Fill in a Scientology personality test in his name. The Scienos will never leave him alone.
     
  13. Stumickel

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    Why not get the ultimate revenge?

    Get in touch, tell him you have noticed his efforts, you're flattered, and ask him to work for you.

    See if you can turn him into an employee to do your donkey-work.

    That's how to get an asshole to start becoming an intestine...

    :)
     
  14. raggoman

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    I feel that a lot of people here are correct in purporting the viewpoint that this could waste a lot of time. I totally agree and must also support some of these statements, in so far as the futile expenditure of inordinate amounts of time upon what is a non-primary competitor is wasteful.

    However, I profress some disagreements with the honourable black hatters.

    I feel that the 'man up' scenario will lead to nothing but some lies and justifications from your 'friend', which will be pointless to listen to.
    Also, as insinuated that you should 'man up', that you are not a man, is to some degree juvenile. I feel that this is the correct procedure in many, many circumstances, but not in this one. It is very obvious why he did this, financial gain, so there's no need to ask. And he probably wasn't a close friend by the way you call him a moron.
    As you have been betrayed obviously, this is no longer a friend, and thus, you no longer share any comraderie or obligation to act honourably towards him. He is stealing from you. Don't forget that.

    I must also confess, that upon reading the numerous statements about letting it slide, or 'don't waste time like I wasted', I feel that these members were unsuccessful in their past attempts of retribution and have sought comfort from this position.
    Taking retribution now will serve as practice for more legitimate targets in the furture. Will also bolster your confidence in your abilities as you will know if someone fucks with you, you can dish it out 10x worse.
    And even on a base level, it will develop analytical and lateral thinking skills.

    And also, by no means "waste enormous amounts of time and effort" into this as said by someone, but see it as a little hobby. You can even make some money out of it and have a lot of fun.
    Plus when it's all over, you can tell people what you did, show them the proof, ruin his reputation and eliminate him from your life forever.

    Why let him know that you know? It's an advantage you have. In the end, he will feel more betrayed by you than you ever did by him. That is revenge. Think about how clever and cocky he feels right now at your expense. How he thinks your stupid because he's fooling you and stealing. That's your motivation

    It will be a lesson he will never forget. So really, you're doing him a favour
     
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  15. jackccl

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    Thanks for all the replies guys, gotta love this forum :)


    True friends don't go try and fuck with your income. I don't see how making a whole site optimizing it for same keywords is an unintentional mistake. So keeping this so called friendship is like asking to get fucked over. So I can't help but agree with raggoman.

    I don't plan on wasting too much effort on it. Just want him to know he can't fuck with someone and expect no consequences.
     
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    Revenge tastes best served cold. And fighting your enemy is the easiest if he doesn't know you are fighting him. Any confrontation is useless imo, just do it the way raggoman suggested, feed him with fake info, he will be frustrated he copies you and you earn and he doesn't. Revenge doesn't get any better than that. And the best thing is he won't even know that this is your revenge, he will just think he is so dumb he can't even copy you right. And you will still be "friends" and you won't have open enemy who could fuck up your life in some way (he will never try to hurt you because he will think you are helping him).
     
  17. Sanitarium

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    Fresh, warm shit from the farm to his doorstep ftw.


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  18. n3xus

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    what is this high school? just get over it
     
  19. raggoman

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    Can you let us know how this revenge is going?
     
  20. JamesAtlas

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    This is the way to go. Hell just wish him luck.

    Think about how he's going to feel when he fails... and that you wished him the best and didn't do anything to him. He'll have to face the fact that you did a superior job than he did and that you are better then him. That is way worse and it costs you no time. :D