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Dead/Pulled/Removed links continue to power a site

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by tony_d, Aug 23, 2014.

  1. tony_d

    tony_d Elite Member

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    In the thread about the 'ranking delay' algorithm, I reported that a site of mine had continued to rank after I pulled my PBN links from it. At that time, it was somewhat non-meaningful, because the time frame was so short. Now, however, it's been nearly two months, and the site continues to rank.

    I had pointed about 10-12 PBN links to a site, and it jumped sharply within a few days. A couple of weeks after I placed the links, I pulled them. However - the rankings did not slide back to their original spot (#39), instead, the site continues to rank today in exactly the same spot that it was at the time I removed the links. It's jumped around, up and down, but is more or less stable.

    Whilst one isolated case is not conclusively demonstrative of anything, I am beginning to take the view that G 'remembers' links, and simply 'once having had' links from a powerful or authoritative source may be a significant ranking factor.

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    Google server took that waiting period to analyze your links and then gave it green flag to get in top10. the reason might be that google spider have visited those links again , but due to that "delay" factor it is just taking time before removing effect of those links.

    i am not sure about it.but, this might be a new loop hole.

    Your ranking are going down since 28 and i think it is fair time to for google spider to find if link is not there and stop passing link juice due to "delayed" link worth calculation.
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    you have been Sandboxed :p .

    If this is true then could you rank multiple websites for a short period at the cost of one ?

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    Indeed, hence I didn't really assign any significant value to it initially. But almost 2 months later, I'm starting to pay a little attention.. I'll keep this thread updated in the coming months, whether or not it tanks or stays where it is.
     
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    I heard something similar on moz whiteboard friday (link Echoes).
    Biggest question is if the PBN got penalized and we remove our link from that PBN - how google going to see this. Risk of SEO business getting harder and harder day by day.
     
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    Any link for the Moz reference?
    EDIT: found it, here

    And indeed - it's a doubled edged sword; it means that disassociating yourself with a bad link source might not be as easy as having the links removed, even if you can do so...
     
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    Same thing happened with one of my sites.

    I made like 6-7 PBN links to 2 easy comp keywords and once it ranked I took the posts down.

    Both of them are still in top 3.

    Now these are really easy keywords so it's not the best case study but perhaps Google remembers links.
     
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    How long since you pulled the links down?
     
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    I have had the exact same thing with my PBN links, I didn't remove the links totally I changed them to another page on my site (another product) obviously changed the anchor and hyper-link and now both pages rank well and have done for around 3 weeks..
     
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    Around the 10th of August.

    Again very weak keyword so it's not the best 'case study', took less than 2 weeks to rank.
     
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    I saw the same thing on the parasite sites. As i put a lot of sape links , parasites ranked and then i removed links, still parasites rank( around 4 weeks now)
     
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    If you watch the WhiteBoard Friday video with Rand Fishkin linked above, he says that they tested this on EIGHT different sites, and in each case, the rankings have not slipped, over 4 months later.

    I think this is a significant point to be aware of, and to further test out.
     
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    I have experienced this on a page by page basis. Some stuck, some dropped. But I would think that there is something to this and it's not random.

    I could be wrong but I thought I read that yahoo did this years ago. Point some good links at a page and take the links down and yahoo will treat the page as if the links are still there.

    I read this about 2 years ago when just starting so I could have mis-understood.
     
  14. JustUs

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    Just a little something to think about. Google has servers that range from 74.125.225.32 that range sequentially all the way up into the next C block at 74.125.226.191 that serve webpages. If you take a given term and search for it on each of those IP's you will see that the position of a given url changes. These differing IP's go to different countries and localities, are often served from different datacenters, and generally have more than one IP assigned to that region. Sometimes one or the other IP is off line in a given region. Google also has several different spiders that crawl sites. Some use the Googlebot UA and some don't.

    Don't you think it is reasonable that due to the range of the IP's and the number of crawlers that it would take some time for the links to be cleared from all the IP's, and therefore not show up any longer?

    The question I more have rather than whether Google remembers links, because a brief test of what I wrote above will show you that it does in addition to remembering position, is how those changing positions work together to determine serp placement.

    EDIT add:
    Google has added to the range of IP's serving the Google searchpage. the first IP is now 74.125.224.0 and the last is 74.125.226.191.
     
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    Whaaaaaaaaaaat?
     
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    I've experienced that before. I pointed an extremely high PR PBN link to one of my sites and it was indexed within 24 hours which resulted in my site going up a couple of pages. I removed the link and the site maintained it's position.
     
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    Been away for a while but thought I'd jump in on what is a very interesting thread. I have experienced something similar but not quite the same but they may be linked...

    I had a site with no more than 3 or 4 PBN links. Initially it ranked, then it dived and was nowhere to be found. I removed all but 1 link (which was only left by mistake) and several months later it ranks on page 3 for a highly competitive financial term (not even the term I was initially targeting but something far far better). There's no way that 1 link would do this - I can only imagine that Google is seeing something else about my site and it could potentially be the old links this site had.

    Anyway - I'd be interested to see how your rankings progress as the months wear on...
     
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    Had a sape campaign canceled months ago and site continued to rank at the same spot it was when Sape was there. Site was ranking until site hosting went down.
     
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    This could become somewhat a kind of historical cache to stop people from rotating static anchors or possibly changing them on that particular page.

    whatever who knows only time will tell... right

    Big Discount (rent my links anyone)
     
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    Curious to know what happened dont go abandoning this thread just yet!

    Q) Did your rankings slip or still holding strong?