David Deangelo VS realsocialdynamics

ricaum said:

David was/is a mentor of Tyler.

Tyler did not invented new, he just rehashed David, Ross Jeffries, Eckhart Tolle, Anthony Robbins and other self-help gurus.

Blueprint is no more than a rehash of the work of those authors above. Good product, but nothing phenomenal.

Mastery and Advanced Series are great products of David.

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Nobody really invented anything. Men were seducing women long before any of these "gurus" were even born.

I've checked out most of these, and so far Real Social Dynamics has been the best match for me. They write and present their, for the lack of a better word, stuff, in a way that I can connect to, and thus I have a better time understanding it.

To be perfectly honest, most of these people/groups have borrowed bits and pieces from eachother and numerous other authors, philosophers and other random people. But ultimately I couldn't give a rats ass about that, as long as I get a proper understanding, and the results I'm looking for, I'm fine with it.

tentyler said:

yes I got on there when I was about 15 and got my first phone number. I gotta say though the material you buy from the instructors is much more condensed. On fastseduction you have to do alot of searching in order to learn everything, but in an ebook or video you can learn only what's important very quickly

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This is the same thing as here, you can buy a guru's shit, or you can do the work and make it work. Self improvement in any aspect, money, women, fitness, there is no quick fix.

freqout said:

This is the same thing as here, you can buy a guru's shit, or you can do the work and make it work. Self improvement in any aspect, money, women, fitness, there is no quick fix.

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That's so true, there is no quick fix. But if you buy/download their stuff and then do the work, it could cut your learning curve in half, if not more.

Why reinvent the wheel?

beefsupreme said:

That's so true, there is no quick fix. But if you buy/download their stuff and then do the work, it could cut your learning curve in half, if not more.

Why reinvent the wheel?

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If you give me 500 bucks, I will tell you how to get laid 5 times in the next 24 hours. Hows that?

if you give a hooker 500 bucks your lay is guaranteed. If you give me a 100 dollar cut I'll make sure she doesn't have an std.

Aliskorn pm your email if its the tpb invite you want.

I agree no effort equals no results, but sometimes you can be going on completely the wrong path and it takes an outside view for you to even realize it. The reality of life is that we can't do everything ourselves as effectively as a person who has learned to put in the effort and also use the help that others can offer. I think as with anything it is important when reading any gurus stuff that you test it out for yourself. Gurus are just people too they really don't know even close to everything there is to know about women. I personally have learned the most from women themselves. I fail to understand why so many guys think that all women provide you with is bs. I hang out with girls that I don't have sex with. I learn a shitload about all women doing this, and as I get to know them better my enjoyment of all women increases.

i agree i have aplied the stuff in david deangelo and fast seduction and it works very well. but you do have to apply it otherwise there is no point. Some things are a bit silly but i agree that you have to take the information in bitesize chnks and practise whenever you have the chance and make it your own style that you are comfortable so it works for you. the most important thing when you are reading david deangelo is the key concepts not the exact words they are saying. e.g key concepts from david deangelo like body language, voice tone are very important when you are talking to a girl then after that come words that should convey a emotion to get them in what ever state you want to. But the key is to practise read-apply,read-apply and you should be fine and dont give up after the first hurdle if things dont work out.

If you want to see david deangelo vids just youtube them and combine them with fastseduction.com techniques and you shall be fine.

They are both good, and both will get you results. The question is, will you implement and test out what you learn, or will you just watch their stuff for entertainment value, like a self-help junkie?

IMO these resources are only tools to help you develop your own inner game, so treat them as such. You should never try and adopt another person's personality - learn from them instead, and see what works for YOU.

AgentZero said:

Does anyone have a decent comparison between the two. I have watched numerous David D courses like the Inner Game which i thought was awesome, aswell as cocky comedy (wasn't that great) approaching women in bars and clubs (mostly techniques, nothing too special), etc.

I have heard that Tyler from realsocialdynamics, Blueprint decoded course is "mind blowing" and works on inner game issues, better then another product under the sun.

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i've seen alot of DD videos, plus i get emails from his Mail list all the time. I think the general stuff he talks about is good but i wouldn't follow or think about it to much. Just be confident, poweful, funny and of course a bit cocky. Girls are drawn to confidence and power weather it be physical strength or ambition. I think delving into his programs too much will cause you to over analyze everything which isnt worth it. Not sure about the other program

freqout said:

If you give me 500 bucks, I will tell you how to get laid 5 times in the next 24 hours. Hows that?

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Dude, I don't do hookers.

David was mentored by Ross Jeffries too but they are now bitter enemies i hear.

I'm curious as to david ds seo tactics. His brand prescence is crazy. He is on all kinds of big name sites and I'm pretty sure alot of it is his seo tactics. Me and my buddy run a business similar, but even with rave reviews of the entire dallas lair we can't get much further than outside the city. Maybe my website sucks idk.

My bottom line on this, doesnt matter what you say to a woman it matters your confidence. I have laid more women from saying hello than anything else.

i've was in the pickup community for a while till i realized the most attractive thing to women is a guy who has his shit together. look at sex symbols women love and you may find part of it is looks, but most of it is a guy who has his shit together, knows he has his shit together, and walks and talks like he has his shit together. without this fundamental foundation getting good at pickup is like trying to kill a tree by hacking at the branches rather than the roots.

that being said, i would say the material gives great advice to a guy who already has a good sense of who he is and has every other aspect of his life taken care of. mystery may have brought fame to the community, but his methods are garbage unless you want to fuck skanks and are constantly in the club scene. plus i'm not a big fan of dressing up like dr. suess's Cat in the Hat.

david d isn't too bad if you're personality can fit it. it's funny he developed cocky funny, because if you listen to him or watch him, he's really not that funny and seems like a chode when he tries to be funny. he is a good copywriter though and internet marketer.

tyler d and juggler have material that is not only good for women, but human interaction period. to be honest though, the best material i've found it thru tony robbins. it has nothing to do with the pickup community but when you look at how to use it for picking up women, the results are extraordinary. and like it was said earlier tyler d really does emulate a lot of shit from tony robbins. not to mention i use a lot of tony robbins when using the techniques talked about in this forum.

ricaum said:

David was/is a mentor of Tyler.

Tyler did not invented new, he just rehashed David, Ross Jeffries, Eckhart Tolle, Anthony Robbins and other self-help gurus.

Blueprint is no more than a rehash of the work of those authors above. Good product, but nothing phenomenal.

Mastery and Advanced Series are great products of David.

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So fucking true man!

They're both good and both has some good information you can benefit but The Blueprint didn't help me. It has eye opening info but in the end it was just self-help-marketing bs. But i guess they did good on the marketing side, you know hyping it up not just in there ads but thru word of mouth.

jthomas086121 said:

tyler d and juggler have material that is not only good for women, but human interaction period. to be honest though, the best material i've found it thru tony robbins. it has nothing to do with the pickup community but when you look at how to use it for picking up women, the results are extraordinary. and like it was said earlier tyler d really does emulate a lot of shit from tony robbins. not to mention i use a lot of tony robbins when using the techniques talked about in this forum.

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quite true, NLP tech is the core of it all. RJ started speed seduction from that strong foundation. The rest is history...

jthomas086121 said:

i've was in the pickup community for a while till i realized the most attractive thing to women is a guy who has his shit together. look at sex symbols women love and you may find part of it is looks, but most of it is a guy who has his shit together, knows he has his shit together, and walks and talks like he has his shit together. without this fundamental foundation getting good at pickup is like trying to kill a tree by hacking at the branches rather than the roots.

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Totally agree with you on that point. However, you can still learn a lot of things from Mystery etc. (not only for club game, but in general).

p.s. that's a nice blog that might be interesting for you:

thepickupdiary.com

I've seen every pickup product known to man.

The David D Advanced Series is his best. I recommend it.

But i'd say if I had to pick the best product i've seen hence far, it would be the RSD Blueprint Decoded.

The David D stuff is a bit aged now - since the seduction community moved away from routines in many respects. Two of David D's DVD's feature a much younger Tyler Durden.

The Blueprint Decoded is kind of a hodgepodge of various self development resources. Tyler focuses a lot on the work of Eckart Tolle lately.

If you're just starting out, I receommend reading Geoffrey Miller's The Mating Mind. And the Way of the Superior Man and then The Power of Now and then Influence.

You can get those at the library for free probably.

Then the other DVD's will make more sense if you still want to buy them.

I came accross a few books from David D. and honestly, any guy out there struggling to get things moving should read double your datings or anyother book hes done..

It is good stuff that many guys wouldnt think of.

I used to be all nice and too kind = wussy.

Don't be a wussy

tony-raymondo said:

I've seen every pickup product known to man.

The David D Advanced Series is his best. I recommend it.

But i'd say if I had to pick the best product i've seen hence far, it would be the RSD Blueprint Decoded.

The David D stuff is a bit aged now - since the seduction community moved away from routines in many respects. Two of David D's DVD's feature a much younger Tyler Durden.

The Blueprint Decoded is kind of a hodgepodge of various self development resources. Tyler focuses a lot on the work of Eckart Tolle lately.

If you're just starting out, I receommend reading Geoffrey Miller's The Mating Mind. And the Way of the Superior Man and then The Power of Now and then Influence.

You can get those at the library for free probably.

Then the other DVD's will make more sense if you still want to buy them.

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Good post tony. One more book you could add to the list is Juggler's book. It's very good for direct game.

Don't know, never bothered with that shit since I am 10/10 in looks and 10/10 in charisma. watching/reading that shit would be like teaching a grown man to crawl like a baby....