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Dangerous Properties... deadly links for your money site: Discussion.

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by ThopHayt, Dec 6, 2011.

  1. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Lets discuss something that we hear a lot about here on BHW but just as often see arguments on. namely, what kinds of properties should be regarded as truly dangerous to link directly to your money site.

    I think that most will agree with me when I say that SBing a bunch of blog comments directly to your MS is surely a brash action that could have disastrous results. However, I don't regard forum profiles as much better, yet I see many of you linking FP's aimed directly at your MS. Am I crazy or is this almost as bad as BC's?

    So lets discuss the dangerous ones (like FP's IMO) that are overlooked. And if you have found a property that you feel is far safer for using even on the back tiers also add in.
     
  2. crowly

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    A site of mine was given the -1000 after FP-ing it and to make things worse all the fps got basically the same anchor
     
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  3. Kickflip

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    The only time I have ever seen a website go down from building backlinks, was when I built Forum Profile links to it. Forum Profile pages have no value at all by default. Blog Comments found in Scrapebox DO have value by default because in order for Scrapebox to find them, they have to be indexed already.

    I would say from an Automatic Algorithm standpoint, Blog Comments are perfectly safe to use on your "Money Site." The only problem comes from the fact that your competitors can find these spam comments very easily and might report you for a manual review. Overall though, I just don't see a problem with adding Blog Comments en mass linking to your Money Site.
     
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  4. ThopHayt

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    So as I suspected Forum Profiles are like poison to your money site. What about web2.0's... same I'd imagine, right.

    As for BC's I'm still on the side of avoiding them directly to the money site since there's so many options and programs make it so easy to aim articles and press-releases.

    What about bookmarkings of your money site though, or bookmarks of properties linking directly to it? Is it best to only bookmark the 3rd tier?
     
  5. Kickflip

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    Web 2.0 profiles not sure, never done them in big loads to money site.

    Social Bookmarks I love pointing them to my money site. Each blog post I usually unleash a bunch of Bookmarks to that page. I think Google loves it, and I can't see why they wouldn't. Social Bookmarks are very natural and are used for people sharing interesting things they found online. The only way I think you could ever get punished is if a Manual Reviewer had evidence that EVERY bookmark was done by you.
     
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  6. alex-19841

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    Getting backlink from pages that have hundreds of outgoing spammy links like Viagra etc
     
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  7. Kickflip

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    Disagreed on that. Don't see how it would dangerous. Google isn't likely to think your Hair Extension site is about Viagra and rank you lower for some reason. I made like 95% of my backlinks on sites with 100+ outbound links to Viagra and Porn sites and Google never seemed to care.
     
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  8. ThopHayt

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    I think links from sites with viagra spam are more devalued than anything. That said I'd NEVER aim them at my money site.
     
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    It's VERY hard to devalue a site from a bad neighbourhood, but as ThopHayt said, they probably won't add any value...

    As a general rule of thumb, content links are safer than any non-content links. The more surrounding text, the less likely they look so spammy. Think of it as a ratio of on-page text volume to OBL's. This doesn't always apply but shows that profile links quickly fail the test - certainly how they're normally built. It also shows why 2.0 links with a full article do much better.

    Also, one of the main reasons why mass blasts fail for many people is a lack of variety in anchors and a lack of deep-linking.

    We're discussing it over here:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...ow-often-do-you-link-without-anchor-text.html
     
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  10. ThopHayt

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    Question relating to Senuke and dangers of properties: How do article postings compare to social network article postings? Is one safer?
     
  11. ThopHayt

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    Question relating to Senuke and dangers of properties: How do article postings compare to social network article postings? Is one safer?
     
  12. FuryFit

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    This thread just made me realize I haven't been social bookmarking any of my pages.
     
  13. wannabie

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    Any one type of link canbe dangerous but mix them all up and you have gold
     
  14. thedon23

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    KickFlip, you seem to know a lot about this, so a question for you.

    Aren't manual reviews more concerned with your website (as in the content on your site), as oppose to the SEO tactics you're using? I mean, manual reviews looked closely at our backlinks, wouldn't most of our sites get penalized? Or couldn't our competitors just spam the shit out of us then report us for a manual review?
     
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    Grow the fuck up! All you need to get penalized is a pissed off multi million dollar company that is below you in the SERPs and looses tens of thousands of dollars because of you. They ask their folks working inside Google to fuck you up. What, you think there's no intelligence-like work going on in the online business? I had sites "whiter" than Snow White and Mother Teresa together and got manually penalized because cNet couldn't outrank me.

    That being said... staying safe from automated penalties is pretty easy if you don't follow the pack and spam without understanding how you spam. You'd be amazed to see how shitty some sites are and still rank for high keywords. 100% unreadable content, cloaked content, etc.

    Profile links are a social indicator and not seen as regular links.

    Any links that are easy to obtain pass little value compared to editorial links - comments, bookmarks, etc.

    One single editorial link can boost your SERPs in the stratosphere. I got one PR5 link from a PR8 domain once (editorial link). The page I got it from was 100% relevant and related to my site. ALL my keywords gained between 3 to 200 positions. I even jumped from #3 to #1 for many keywords (medium competition keyword). That was ONE link.

    To stay away from automated penalties all you have to do is spam in a way that looks natural. In other words follow a natural linking profile. Speed of link building, anchor text used, type of links, etc. all matter and to explain how you can stay close to 100% safe would mean to write a very long post about how link spam detection algorithms can be built and I'm not in the mood for that right now. However you can read this for starters.

    Oh, and if you think a competitor can't hurt you by blasting your site you are naive. If your site is weak and/or young they can. Obviously you couldn't hurt Amazon or the like.
     
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    What's important is your site's ratio of high quality links to low quality links. The more good links you have (contextual, edu, etc) the more crappy ones you can get away with.

    For newer sites it's ideal to start with a foundation of high quality links. Then, as time goes on, you can point lower quality links to your first tier properties, and eventually, once the site has some age and quality links, you can (carefully) sprinkle them to your money site to add link diversity.
     
  17. thedon23

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    Some great points. For any site I blast, I generally wait one month. In that first month, I get a whole bunch of high PR blog posts linking to my site. Not much aside from that. Then, once I blast the site, I've only seen positive things happen. This is just my experience though, and I don't have too many sites to be honest.
     
  18. FuryFit

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    Octopus is mad
     
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    If you believe that is true then send those links to every site ranked above you and post back here after you buy your solid gold car.
     
  20. FuryFit

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    I <3 this thread.