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Criminals taking advantage of the crisis in Japan!

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by m0n3y_, Mar 12, 2011.

  1. m0n3y_

    m0n3y_ Junior Member

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    Greetings everyone,

    Today I read in the local newspapper that there are criminals taking advantage online of the japan situation.

    They create false-donation websites where the visitor have to enter their credit card number etc to donate, after the visitor have provided all information they hijack the credit-card.

    To get visitors, they use SEO to rank on search-engines.

    What are your opinions on this? I seriously think this is crossing the line, I mean comon man. You have to have some heart? I wonder which heartless bastards who created this sites.

    If anyone of you finds a site like this, don't hestiate linking it here!

    Sincerly,
    m0n3y_
     
  2. creep

    creep Registered Member

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    It might not be right thing to do but think of it this way:

    - The ones that do this websites are not affected by the crisis in japan at all.
    - The ones doing this have to eat, pay rent, this is how they make money, scamming others.
    - If they would ask for money nobody would give them so they are using the sensitive part of humans. And if it's working damn, it's a good plan.
    - When you are using affiliate links to crappy e books and you know they don't help at all the user and you get the commission you are doing the same thing.

    This is the world we live in and it's sad. Just adapt....
     
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  3. m0n3y_

    m0n3y_ Junior Member

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    Yes, I agree that everyone have to eat and pay rent. But man, you got to have some moral. Oh well...
     
  4. Pikachoo

    Pikachoo Junior Member

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    No, I don't think I will think of it this way. My legitimate affiliate commission is not the same as what these scumbags are doing!
    Do yourself a favour and learn the difference between doing business and scamming people.
     
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    Yup, your a F'n IDIOT!

     
  6. proxygo

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    creep - your an idiot
    scamming people through a world wide event
    is no justification.
    its funny people trying to justify theft and fraud
    to eat and say its ok .
    why do u think half the people work here at bhw
    because 9/5 isnt enough - but if u gotta rob/steal
    to get by - its sad . -1 rep if it existed
     
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  7. pilar

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    Pretty good that you can think of this way (sarcasm, duh). I admit that I am not capable enough to think this way. However on the other side it proves that you have a moral story of a fish finger though.

     
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  8. zellow1006

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    personally i would never do this because i'm just not that heartless. look at some of the pictures on yahoo.com of the disaster. you see about 1,000 people sleeping in one big room all scrunched up together because they have no where else to go, due to the fact that of all their homes were destroyed.

    While they don't have anything left and lost many of their families and friends, fellow humans are out there making money off of the disaster that they went through.

    that's fucked up.
     
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  9. aporellos

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    Man you canĀ“t compare. On crappy books you have the choice of getting your money back, normally there is 30 / 60 days money back guarantee.

    If your are unhappy or feeling scammed, just ask for it.

    But trying to make money from a natural disater does not have even a proper word to describe it.
     
  10. july23

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    What just adapt?
    You really F*ckn lost your mind! Thousands of lives being lost there and your tellin us to f*ckn adapt your scamming?!
    Go to hell Bitch!
     
  11. tony23

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    It's not a good plan, it stinks.

    This is the world we create, this is not blackhat, it's fraud, and wrong on so many fucking levels...Creep!
     
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    Too bad some people are profiting from this type of evil ways. There may be ways to trace them. The whois info may give information about their likely location.
     
  13. Zak_A

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    Collecting legitimate affiliate commission from product sales - That's Marketing
    Collecting legitimate affiliate commission from selling crapy product - That's still Marketing
    Collecting legitimate affiliate commission from sales promoted with unfair marketing tricks - That's Black Hat Marketing

    Yes the two last point are kinda sad but that's business and that's the world we're living in. That is what you need to adapt to.

    BUT

    Putting up a fake website for any cause or charity (be it Japanese disaster, Haiti, fighting cancer, wwf or whatever) - This is sick
    Collecting donation from such fake website - This is sick scamming
    Stealing credit card information from people who believe they are just donating some money - This is CRIMINAL SICK SCAMMING

    And these have nothing to do with the sadness I'm talking about in the first part, this is totally fucked up.


    I'm a blackhatter, and also a former hacker. I don't really mind doing rather unethical and unfair stuffs to beat my competition and cash in. But yet I still have some moral and can tell the difference between marketing war and criminal scamming.
    I would never scam nor try to take advantage of such disasters and serious causes.

    How can you not see the difference ?
     
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  14. Mokodoki

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    You're on a blackhat forum, but that doesn't mean we're evil soulless scammers. Most people here that I've met are genuinely good people, and I'm pretty disgusted that one of our users could even attempt to rationalize something like this. What if this was your country that this was happening to? What if you were the one out there stranded freezing on a roof?

    There's people out there sick enough to take advantage of this, but the universe has its ways of dishing back karma in spades. I am a blackhatter to the end, but there is a difference between taking shortcuts and taking advantage of another human being at their most vulnerable.
     
  15. RandomPhantom

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    It's not the same thing at all... Really, you cant see the difference?
     
  16. zeeaq

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    Wrong! So not true. You need help and I feel sad for you.
     
  17. ziggyjacko

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    Im going to join in and condemn the disgraceful post by creep on this.
     
  18. Kickflip

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    I have a question for everyone who is crapping all over creep:

    Do you REALLY care if your affiliate company re-bills some poor person through an iframed product, and that persons mortgage check bounces, and the bank charges them a huge interest fee and penalty, which they can't afford and so they lose their house?

    Do you really believe that doesn't happen? I have seen it. I have talked with those people. I have seen elderly people be kicked out of their retirement homes due to their social security credit card being maxed out because of re-bills for facebook app things they signed up with.

    I don't think creep is saying that this is the right thing to do at all, and I think you guys are just jumping all over him because you think it is the right thing to do. It really isn't. Are you guys doing anything to search out and report/counteract these scoundrels attempts to scam people?

    If you aren't proactively doing anything, then you ARE adapting. None of you have even taken the time to come up with ideas of how to stop them. Complaining on a forum does nothing to actually help people. Getting mad at creep doesn't actually help people.

    I am personally more sad at all you people trying to feel better about yourselves by attacking creep, instead of actually suggesting ways we can take down these websites. If they are using SEO, well guess what, WE KNOW HOW TO COUNTERACT SEO TACTICS! Especially for scamming websites.

    How come none of you are posting ideas there?

    1) Search Google for terms related to donating/giving money/disaster relief funds.
    2) Determine which sites are scams (probably anything except red cross).
    3) Report to Google/Yahoo/Bing as scam/malware type websites, no more SEO rank+a big malware warning.

    Other tactics would include searching for terms related to "how to scam people using japan earthquake" or something like that, and looking for hacking/cracking/thief forums, and looking for footprints that would lead you to these sites.
     
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  19. daveguy

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    Just adding a short post to say I completely disagree with creep, that is scamming not marketing - huge difference.
     
  20. Zak_A

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    I totally agree with you on that. That's sadly agressive marketing, and it is unfair too.

    But as unfair as this can be, this is not illegal and has still nothing to do with criminal actions like OP were originally talking about.

    You've made an excellent point here. I definitely second that, and encourage everyone who feel concerned to join in and do so.
    This alone won't give anything back to the japanese who have lost everything, but it's the smallest contribution that we all on BHW can afford and are able to do easily.
     
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