Creator of mRNA Vaccine technology.. worth considering.

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Exactly, we fish people are going to rise from the ocean soon and come for yall.
 
What people often forget to mention is that mRNA inventor Robert Malone and his wife still got Moderna mRNA shots. Because they want to travel. Source - his Twitter feed.

Does it mean that mRNA vaccine risks are comparable to the discomfort of not being able to travel?
 
Bets on guys
How many "Emotional" replies we are going get for this thread!
 
splishsplash said:
In 30-50 years time we'll see documentaries about what went on in the 2020's.

That's all I'll say.
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I keep saying the same. We're just speculating at this point. One thing I'm pretty sure off is that people in 50 years will laugh their asses about how stupid we were in 2020-2021.
 
xReminisce said:
Bets on guys
How many "Emotional" replies we are going get for this thread!
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Is that supposed to start some sort of reaction? You're trying to get people going are you? We're here to market, not shed skin!

Jk, probably gonna cringe about that in an hour^
 
even if someone would be "for-vaccine", at least document yourself a little bit, dont just go and vaccine yourself just like that
i am pro vaccine, because i had taken vaccines, but those were tested 200-300 years, not made a half year ago :D
so in this case no im not gonna take any of this new vaccine, i will wait
 
First of all Robert Malone isn’t the one who discovered mRNA - it’s Katalin Karikó. Second of all, they’ve been working on this technology for almost 3 decades now so its not even close to being a new technology. Third of all, Robert Malone himself IS vaccinated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katalin_Karikó
« In 1990, while a Research Assistant professor at the University of Pennsylvania, Karikó submitted her first grant application in which she proposed to establish mRNA-based gene therapy.[2] Ever since, mRNA-based therapy has been Karikó's primary research interest. »
 
LuckyCharm007 said:
First of all Robert Malone isn’t the one who discovered mRNA - it’s Katalin Karikó. Second of all, they’ve been working on this technology for almost 3 decades now so its not even close to being a new technology. Third of all, Robert Malone himself IS vaccinated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katalin_Karikó
« In 1990, while a Research Assistant professor at the University of Pennsylvania, Karikó submitted her first grant application in which she proposed to establish mRNA-based gene therapy.[2] Ever since, mRNA-based therapy has been Karikó's primary research interest. »
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She's a senior VP at BioNTech.

Even simple affiliate marketers on bhw can create background stories for fake blackhat sites. What makes you think a powerful pharmaceutical company can't do the same?

What's most weird is all the news stories popping up discrediting Robert Malone. That in its self is shady. You can go right now and buy posts on almost any site. It's very very easy to create a whole flurry of articles. I could go right now and have about 100 articles posted about how LuckyCharm007 was a homeless guy who found bhw and it turned his life around. I could create any story I want for you. It's VERY easy.

It's really difficult today to find real facts, but, what stands out for me is this :-

https://patents.justia.com/inventor/katalin-kariko
Her first patent listed here is Aug 21, 2006 - "RNA containing modified nucleosides and methods of use thereof"

Now, let's look here - https://www.keionline.org/34733 - This article mentions

If we look IN the patent, here - https://patents.google.com/patent/US8278036B2/en

"Some of these patents include broad claims. For instance, Claim 1 of the U.S. patent 8,278,036 (the ‘036 patent) is directed to “[a] method for inducing a mammalian cell to produce a protein of interest comprising: contacting said mammalian cell with in vitro-synthesized modified RNA encoding a protein of interest"

The patent is talking about inducing a mammalian cell to produce a recombinant protein, by contacting the mammalian cell with an in vitro-synthesized RNA molecule which encodes the recombinant protein.

Now, in 1994, we have a patent here by Robert Malone

https://patents.justia.com/patent/5580859 - "Delivery of exogenous DNA sequences in a mammal"

First line is "Polynucleotide sequences, comprising DNA and RNA molecules can be directly administered, for example by injection, to tissues, such as muscle, and expressed as a protein"

Ok, so his patent is about injecting DNA and RNA molecules into mammals

He also has https://patents.justia.com/patent/5589466 - "Induction of a protective immune response in a mammal by injecting a DNA sequence" filed on Jan 26 1995.

The definition of the biontech vaccine from biontech.de is this

https://biontech.de/covid-19-portal/faq
"mRNA vaccines consist of messenger RNA, a blueprint that provides instructions for a human cell to make a target protein, or antigen, which activates the body’s immune response against the respective virus."

In Robert Malone's patent here we have "Vaccination with immunogenic proteins has eliminated or reduced the incidence of many diseases;"

And in the abstract "Polynucleotide sequences, comprising DNA and RNA molecules can be directly administered, for example by injection, to tissues, such as muscle, and expressed as a protein, polypeptide or polypeptide."

Proteins by the way consist of several polypeptides joined together.

This is hard to understand, but this is DIRECTLY talking about administering "polynucleotide sequences", which are made up from RNA molecules, by INJECTING INTO TISSUE SUCH AS MUSCLE, and it goes on to say "expressed as a protein".

Now, what does that mean?

https://www.biologyonline.com/dictionary/expression
In molecular biology, expression is the process by which genes coded information is converted into the structures present and operating in the cell.

IE, what does the biontech site say? "instructions for a human cell to make a target protein".

You see?

RNA is injected into the cells, and the body releases proteins which trigger an immune response. This is EXACTLY what Robert Malone's patent is about.

To further clarify. Here's a snippet from hse.ie on how the mRNA vaccines work :-

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-v...e/get-the-vaccine/how-covid-19-vaccines-work/
"The Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are both mRNA vaccines. mRNA vaccines teach your body how to make a protein that will trigger an immune response, without using a live virus."

Let's also look at all the other patents here by Robert Malone - https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-w-malone

He's also got "DNA vaccines for eliciting a mucosal immune response" filed in May 23, 1997. 10 years before Katalin Kariko's first patent and after the above patent where he's already experimenting with the technology of injecting RNA into the muscle cells of a mammal through liposomes in order to get a protein expression which results in a protein that triggers an immunoresponse that will protect against the virus, without the use of a live virus.

"Abstract: The invention consists of a method for inducing production of a mucosal immune response in a host by administration of an antigen-encoding polynucleotide preparation, comprising DNA or RNA encoding an antigenic epitope to a mucosal inductor site in the mucosal tissue of the host"

This is RNA vaccine related. It is a patent directly about injecting RNA encoding

Ok, now inside Robert Malone's vaccine patent we have

"The antigen-encoding polynucleotide preparation may also encode polypeptides of interest, such as additional antigens or adjuvants and cytokines. The preferred vectors for use in the method of this invention are viral recombinant gene expression vectors and non-viral recombinant gene expression vectors associated with delivery vehicles (e.g., liposomes or colloidal particles) into which polynucleotides of the invention have been inserted."

This is complex, but follow along. This is real objective research rather than googling "who invented RNA vaccines" and reading whatever light-reading article is published on the web that anyone can write.

The key thing to takeaway from that quote from Robert Malone's vaccine patent is that he uses "liposomes" or "collodial particles" as the delivery vehicle.

So in his patent about vaccines, he is using a delivery method of lipsomes. We've already established that in his earlier patents he was doing exactly the same thing as the current vaccines. Inject RNA into muscles. Cause body to create protein. That protein triggers immune system. That is the simple version of how the mRNA vaccines work, folks.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41578-021-00281-4
"BioNTech/Pfizer’s and Moderna’s mRNA vaccines both use lipid nanoparticles as mRNA carriers. "

OK.

So. The modern vaccine uses lipid nanoparticles as delivery vehicles.

https://www.exeleadbiopharma.com/ne...s-delivery-vehicles-for-personalized-medicine
"Liposomes vs. lipid nanoparticles Liposomes and lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) are similar by design, but slightly different in composition and function."

The modern vaccine is using a slightly different delivery method that appears to be a bit more effective/advanced.

Now, it's not important who "invented" something. No one really "invents". Science is an ever evolving spectrum where one thing is built upon the last.


What is highly dubious here is that you have Robert Malone, a highly experienced micro biologist, immunologist and virologist who has patents from the 1990's about what's essentially 90% of the modern vaccine and papers dating back to the 80's ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Jf1bApYAAAAJ&hl=en ) on everything from gene expression from direct injection of DNA into the liver to cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection. This is someone who's life's work is to understand how things like the mRNA vaccine work at a level that no one here will ever even come close to.

He then talks to you all about how spike proteins are cytotoxic and dangerous.

What happens?

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP
FACT CHECK!

Some simple, garbage article that says "There's no scientific evidence" and a whole bunch of articles that basically make Robert Muller out to be some crackpot making conspiracy videos.

It's RIDICULOUS.

People are so numb and braindead they think research is googling a question and reading the top results.

But of course, let's not believe Robert Muller. A scientist who's life work is micro biology and virology. He is just a conspiracy nutter.

Let's believe our lovely and caring overlords, who we all know, since dawn of time governments, monarchs, land owners and wealthy have had the people's best intentions as their top priority.

We all know billionaires regularly get together and talk about how they can make people's lives better. Governments even more so. Their sole goal is to make us all happy and look after us.

Also, I will just add here -- I do not want to argue or discuss this. I've done this research here to make it easier for people to do their own objective research and come to their own conclusions about what Robert Muller's saying. I have no agenda. I just came across him in this thread, but rather than just believe what he's saying, or believe what the media says about him I decided to actually research into his work and what he's done and form my own conclusions.
Thanks.

One more thing. The problem with the whole vaccine vs anti-vaccine crowd is this :-

It's pure black and white. It's either "the vaccine is evil" or "the vaccine is good".

NEITHER ARE TRUE.

mRNA vaccines themselves appear safe, the problem is the ones releasing the spike protein. Not all of them do this. Big pharma is saying the spike proteins are harmless, or sometimes they say it "doesn't move from the injection site". Big pharma want one thing. Money/sales. They will roll out unsafe stuff and cover it up because it means they can get it out quicker and make profits instead of being patient and waiting for a truly safe vaccine.

Be smart. It's not about one side vs the other. Vaccines are just vaccines. They are not good or bad.
 
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splishsplash said:
She's a senior VP at BioNTech.

Even simple affiliate marketers on bhw can create background stories for fake blackhat sites. What makes you think a powerful pharmaceutical company can't do the same?

What's most weird is all the news stories popping up discrediting Robert Malone. That in its self is shady. You can go right now and buy posts on almost any site. It's very very easy to create a whole flurry of articles. I could go right now and have about 100 articles posted about how LuckyCharm007 was a homeless guy who found bhw and it turned his life around. I could create any story I want for you. It's VERY easy.

It's really difficult today to find real facts, but, what stands out for me is this :-

https://patents.justia.com/inventor/katalin-kariko
Her first patent listed here is Aug 21, 2006 - "RNA containing modified nucleosides and methods of use thereof"

Now, let's look here - https://www.keionline.org/34733 - This article mentions

If we look IN the patent, here - https://patents.google.com/patent/US8278036B2/en

"Some of these patents include broad claims. For instance, Claim 1 of the U.S. patent 8,278,036 (the ‘036 patent) is directed to “[a] method for inducing a mammalian cell to produce a protein of interest comprising: contacting said mammalian cell with in vitro-synthesized modified RNA encoding a protein of interest"

The patent is talking about inducing a mammalian cell to produce a recombinant protein, by contacting the mammalian cell with an in vitro-synthesized RNA molecule which encodes the recombinant protein.

Now, in 1994, we have a patent here by Robert Malone

https://patents.justia.com/patent/5580859 - "Delivery of exogenous DNA sequences in a mammal"

First line is "Polynucleotide sequences, comprising DNA and RNA molecules can be directly administered, for example by injection, to tissues, such as muscle, and expressed as a protein"

Ok, so his patent is about injecting DNA and RNA molecules into mammals

He also has https://patents.justia.com/patent/5589466 - "Induction of a protective immune response in a mammal by injecting a DNA sequence" filed on Jan 26 1995.

The definition of the biontech vaccine from biontech.de is this

https://biontech.de/covid-19-portal/faq
"mRNA vaccines consist of messenger RNA, a blueprint that provides instructions for a human cell to make a target protein, or antigen, which activates the body’s immune response against the respective virus."

In Robert Malone's patent here we have "Vaccination with immunogenic proteins has eliminated or reduced the incidence of many diseases;"

And in the abstract "Polynucleotide sequences, comprising DNA and RNA molecules can be directly administered, for example by injection, to tissues, such as muscle, and expressed as a protein, polypeptide or polypeptide."

Proteins by the way consist of several polypeptides joined together.

This is hard to understand, but this is DIRECTLY talking about administering "polynucleotide sequences", which are made up from RNA molecules, by INJECTING INTO TISSUE SUCH AS MUSCLE, and it goes on to say "expressed as a protein".

Now, what does that mean?

https://www.biologyonline.com/dictionary/expression
In molecular biology, expression is the process by which genes coded information is converted into the structures present and operating in the cell.

IE, what does the biontech site say? "instructions for a human cell to make a target protein".

You see?

RNA is injected into the cells, and the body releases proteins which trigger an immune response. This is EXACTLY what Robert Malone's patent is about.

To further clarify. Here's a snippet from hse.ie on how the mRNA vaccines work :-

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/get-the-vaccine/how-covid-19-vaccines-work/
"The Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are both mRNA vaccines. mRNA vaccines teach your body how to make a protein that will trigger an immune response, without using a live virus."

Let's also look at all the other patents here by Robert Malone - https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-w-malone

He's also got "DNA vaccines for eliciting a mucosal immune response" filed in May 23, 1997. 10 years before Katalin Kariko's first patent and after the above patent where he's already experimenting with the technology of injecting RNA into the muscle cells of a mammal through liposomes in order to get a protein expression which results in a protein that triggers an immunoresponse that will protect against the virus, without the use of a live virus.

"Abstract: The invention consists of a method for inducing production of a mucosal immune response in a host by administration of an antigen-encoding polynucleotide preparation, comprising DNA or RNA encoding an antigenic epitope to a mucosal inductor site in the mucosal tissue of the host"

This is RNA vaccine related. It is a patent directly about injecting RNA encoding

Ok, now inside Robert Malone's vaccine patent we have

"The antigen-encoding polynucleotide preparation may also encode polypeptides of interest, such as additional antigens or adjuvants and cytokines. The preferred vectors for use in the method of this invention are viral recombinant gene expression vectors and non-viral recombinant gene expression vectors associated with delivery vehicles (e.g., liposomes or colloidal particles) into which polynucleotides of the invention have been inserted."

This is complex, but follow along. This is real objective research rather than googling "who invented RNA vaccines" and reading whatever light-reading article is published on the web that anyone can write.

The key thing to takeaway from that quote from Robert Malone's vaccine patent is that he uses "liposomes" or "collodial particles" as the delivery vehicle.

So in his patent about vaccines, he is using a delivery method of lipsomes. We've already established that in his earlier patents he was doing exactly the same thing as the current vaccines. Inject RNA into muscles. Cause body to create protein. That protein triggers immune system. That is the simple version of how the mRNA vaccines work, folks.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41578-021-00281-4
"BioNTech/Pfizer’s and Moderna’s mRNA vaccines both use lipid nanoparticles as mRNA carriers. "

OK.

So. The modern vaccine uses lipid nanoparticles as delivery vehicles.

https://www.exeleadbiopharma.com/news/liposomes-and-lipid-nanoparticles-as-delivery-vehicles-for-personalized-medicine
"Liposomes vs. lipid nanoparticles Liposomes and lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) are similar by design, but slightly different in composition and function."

The modern vaccine is using a slightly different delivery method that appears to be a bit more effective/advanced.

Now, it's not important who "invented" something. No one really "invents". Science is an ever evolving spectrum where one thing is built upon the last.


What is highly dubious here is that you have Robert Malone, a highly experienced micro biologist, immunologist and virologist who has patents from the 1990's about what's essentially 90% of the modern vaccine and papers dating back to the 80's ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Jf1bApYAAAAJ&hl=en ) on everything from gene expression from direct injection of DNA into the liver to cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection. This is someone who's life's work is to understand how things like the mRNA vaccine work at a level that no one here will ever even come close to.

He then talks to you all about how spike proteins are cytotoxic and dangerous.

What happens?

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP
FACT CHECK!

Some simple, garbage article that says "There's no scientific evidence" and a whole bunch of articles that basically make Robert Muller out to be some crackpot making conspiracy videos.

It's RIDICULOUS.

People are so numb and braindead they think research is googling a question and reading the top results.

But of course, let's not believe Robert Muller. A scientist who's life work is micro biology and virology. He is just a conspiracy nutter.

Let's believe our lovely and caring overlords, who we all know, since dawn of time governments, monarchs, land owners and wealthy have had the people's best intentions as their top priority.

We all know billionaires regularly get together and talk about how they can make people's lives better. Governments even more so. Their sole goal is to make us all happy and look after us.

Also, I will just add here -- I do not want to argue or discuss this. I've done this research here to make it easier for people to do their own objective research and come to their own conclusions about what Robert Muller's saying. I have no agenda. I just came across him in this thread, but rather than just believe what he's saying, or believe what the media says about him I decided to actually research into his work and what he's done and form my own conclusions.
Thanks.

One more thing. The problem with the whole vaccine vs anti-vaccine crowd is this :-

It's pure black and white. It's either "the vaccine is evil" or "the vaccine is good".

NEITHER ARE TRUE.

mRNA vaccines themselves appear safe, the problem is the ones releasing the spike protein. Not all of them do this. Big pharma is saying the spike proteins are harmless, or sometimes they say it "doesn't move from the injection site". Big pharma want one thing. Money/sales. They will roll out unsafe stuff and cover it up because it means they can get it out quicker and make profits instead of being patient and waiting for a truly safe vaccine.

Be smart. It's not about one side vs the other. Vaccines are just vaccines. They are not good or bad.
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Again facts in the face. Not many will be able to deal with this research.
 
crnack said:
Again facts in the face. Not many will be able to deal with this research.
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Yeah I went deep with this because I REALLY was curious myself and didn't want to just believe something blindly.

Sadly 95% of people will glaze over my post and look for an article on their favorite newspaper telling them a nice simple fits in the box answer.
 
splishsplash said:
Yeah I went deep with this because I REALLY was curious myself and didn't want to just believe something blindly.

Sadly 95% of people will glaze over my post and look for an article on their favorite newspaper telling them a nice simple fits in the box answer.
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Its actually quite sad most people on here (and not only here, but also random people who are in front of their phone several hours per day) are not able (?) to do any research themselves. Neither about the virus, its mortality or vaccines. As you said, its all just black and white. It became some sort of religion... belief in it or you are damned..thats the narrative on both sides. I mean, we are in the ridiculous situation that you could go out on the street and say "pharma companies just wanna make money" and someone would come up to you and call you anti-vaxxer. Its absolutely ridiculous.
 
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