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Creating My Own SEO Software - How Do I Find Legit Programmers?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by Dan Da Man, Dec 1, 2012.

  1. Dan Da Man

    Dan Da Man Elite Member Premium Member

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    As the title says, I want to create a new SEO linkbuilding tool, but finding legit programmers that can actually do the job is almost impossible. Tried so about 6 months ago and each guy claims he can do the work and then can't complete it because he lacks the skills to do so. It's not even that difficult of a tool but finding a person who can do it is hard.

    I have tried Odesk and a few other outsourcing sites but no luck. Is there anywhere else to look? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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    That kind of a software can build only a person who's expert at SEO and at the same time expert at programming.
     
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    Odesk is my best bet, we use a few guys on and off there that will have no problems doing what you want -- problem is they will be in the 20 an hour range. On the flip side of that, usually the job gets done quicker and better. Look around some more there.
     
  4. Dan Da Man

    Dan Da Man Elite Member Premium Member

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    Why does an SEO expert have to build it? I am the expert and I will tell the guy what he needs to do. I think if someone has the basic SEO skill sets he can accomplish this
     
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    Dan Da Man Elite Member Premium Member

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    Yeah but how do you know if they can do the specific task? I guess you don't really know. Just hard because if I spend thousands of dollars for a guy hourly, what if he can't complete it?
     
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    What are you looking at? I'm a programmer and my partner is too maybe we can help you. PM me if your interested
     
  7. Nick Flame

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    Good programmers are not cheap. You should look to pay 25-40$ / hour range to have any hope of finding a programmer that can deliver a workable software (not an exceptional software, for that you need programmers at 100$+/hour, which are usually not on odesk). Anything less than that are mostly programmers without experience that say yes yes yes to anything, have no idea how to do the programming, and hope they will figure it out while working on it. Which in most cases, never happen.

    Also, if you have no experience coding, do not assume that the software is "not that difficult to make". Unless you talked to an experienced programmer, you can not estimate how difficult a software is to make.

    There are plenty of software development companies. Most professionals usually have their own website - try to find some that will give you a free quote. Even if you do not end up using them due to their cost, at least you will have an idea how difficult your project is, and what does it require - because serious programmers will ask you plenty of questions before giving you a quote, also informing you on what is possible or not.

    Also, elance has much better programmers than odesk. Try with them.
     
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    The couple of good programmers I use charged $70 per hour.
    I looked everywhere and foiund plenty cheaper. Guys in the east who would code for $10 an hour and get a product out for under $300 - however it wasn'y that they weren't good - it was the level of micro management and the scope of product. Explaining a complex idea for a product and keeping on top of it - well I just gave up in the end. I never got back something that was even 70% of what I actually wanted

    Last thing I paid for cost be $2500 - I scoped out the logic I wanted in a programming tree - added bit of basic pseudo code including the algorithms, gave specific examples of the input, process and outputs, the look of the GUI and the requirements as far as what platforms it could/should run on etc.. and I got the product back inside 6 days for $2500. 3 revisions (less than 15 hours in total) and it's frikking perfect - better than I specced originally because of some ideas that were implemented during the build.
    The code is open (check for that as well, some will build you cheap apps but make it very hard to get to the code, they compile it and don't let you have the source and notes) I can make adaptations to it as required.

    The $300 tools I've specced int he past are all sitting in a folder on a flash drive and will likely just get deleted - I'd never put my name to them.

    Not saying you have to spend $2500, this was quite a complex tool that I could sell for $77 a pop or even a sub if I sorted out server/client stuff for it. There are plenty of ideas that would take only 30 hours for a GOOD coder to put together.
    The caveat for speed and getting the most for your money is knowing exactly what you want before hand IN DETAIL, and explaining that CLEARLY and PRECISELY - and CONCISELY to the coder in ways that could not be misinterpreted. It took me 12 hours to put together the detailed brief, and it was only 1200 words and 4 diagrams at the end of that.

    Scritty
     
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    That won't be a problem. I use freelancer... create milestones.
     
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