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creating my own PBNs

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by kamgae, Apr 4, 2017.

  1. kamgae

    kamgae Registered Member

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    Hello,
    I am targeting many low/medium competition KWs. I know a lot of people rank their sites with automated tools/guest posts/PBNs (expired/auction domains).
    For the start, as I don't have much budget, I am thinking of creating my own PBNs built on fresh global com domains.

    My question is: does anyone have any experience in this field? Can I obtain any advice here or tutorials?
     
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    Use the search button. This has been discussed many times before.
     
  3. kamgae

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    What in particular am I supposed to search for? Haven't found any thread regarding my question

     
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    Fresh domains aren't good for PBN. Use expired domains with decent backlink profile.
     
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    Indeed expired domains are the best. Although I am seeking people who have experience in this field (ranking with fresh domains)
     
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    You will need semrush account and i think there is a free domain scraper

    Look for deccnt amount of back links the higher the trust flow the better
    Check the baklinks are not spammy and your good to go
     
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    Seeking validation for a faulty idea won't actually help you.
    Where is the benefit, or link juice, from a fresh domain?
    If my PBN site has a link from INC.com and BusinessInsider, when I link it out to my money site, I am passing on some of that power.
    If my PBN site has no links, and I link it to my money site, what is the benefit? What am I passing over?

    Don't waste your limited funds doing this, you'll end up with less funds and frustrated.

    Instead, build some web2.0s, fresh and/or expired, make them look pretty(read: real), treat them as your money site: quality content, all the good pages, logos, he'll give them some social media presence. Now, build some backlinks to those. Spend a little money on firing some backlinks to those, they can handle a little abuse.
    As you start ranking/banking, then start building a PBN properly.

    Or do micro-jobs, or some such, to build some starter funds to get the capital to properly build a PBN.
     
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    what is the difference between fresh web20 and fresh global com domain?

    I believe com domain will have more power as ranking with web 20 is more common
     
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    You can be more aggressive with backlinks to a web2. You can be a bit riskier, or spammer, if you want that risk.
    What backlinks you planning to point at your fresh PBN? Wouldn't they be more benefitial to just point them at your site directly?
     
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    I was sort of thinking of pointing web20 created by rankerx and some GSA links with a filtered list. However the reason why I created this thread is to find someone who could advice in this field.

    I read both of these threads some time ago. Although this does not concern my question.

    I appreciate you believe in expired domains, however...
    Have you ever tested ranking with fresh created domains? Do you have any proof you cannot rank this way? If so please share your case study.

    I would love to hear from people who actually have some experience in this field.
     
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    I will also be waiting for a expert review on the same. Looking forward to it.
     
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    So, links you can point AT your site, you will instead run them through a new domain, then to your site. Thereby reducing the little power they have.
    Sure you can do this, kind of a waste.

    Again, I ask, what would be the power of a new domain, filtering links you're built, vs just building those links directly to your site?
    A web2 has more tolerance than your fresh domain, so you can be more aggressive.
    But hey, seems like you want to validate your idea without actually listening.
     
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    Hold your breath while waiting, it speeds things up.

    So, do you want actual advice or just looking for validation to a flawed theory as well?
     
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    Patriot I appreciate your contribution to this post.
    But I only have one question - have you ever tried ranking with fresh domains?
    Somehow I can bet you have NOT. No offence but this is just your theory. SEO is not theory. SEO is practice. That is why I asked if someone has tried this method and can share his point of view.
     
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    I'm actually in the middle of this right now. The only real info I have so far is it will take quite a while for the new domain to gain trust (60-90 days minimum). Not to mention having to monitor your backlink profile to start with and make sure not many of those sites you linked to the fresh domain drop. The bottom line is it's easier to buy an expired domain, even with low metrics on it, and build that up if you want to start. Fresh will take more time, money, and effort. Just my 2c.
     
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    Sorry I can only invalidate your question.
     
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    I can tell you that if it is medium difficulty then yes it can help you but less than or equal to web 20s. I used to work on client websites for link building (not seo only backlinks). And i remember someone had ordered a package for 10 websites. 9 out of those linked to one domain. I know because i told him not to order that package for those sites as they were new. He insisted.

    I did build web 20s for all his websites. The ranks did jump like from nowhere to top 30. He was trying to rank all his websites in top 50.

    Now the thing is that fresh domain will be in your control and will cost less than PBNs. So you have web 20 blog network, fresh blog network and private blog network.

    Personally I would have just built web 20s (more than what he ordered) instead of fresh domains. You pay so much for hosting and those domains. It all adds up.

    You can maybe create a journey thread and show us where you go. But not many people would buy the concept of fresh domains linking to their website -with no authority etc.
     
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    I haven't tested and tried to rank MS using fresh domain PBNs but I highly believe that they are not just gonna work. The Entire game of SEO is about having authority backlinks. The Fresh domains don't have any authority/backlinks/age etc while expired domain have authority and backlinks if they are spam free.
    If you would watch some videos of Matt Cutts you will get the basic knowledge how this works.

    However, testing new things is always a good idea even if they don't make any sense. I would love to see a journey about FRESH PBN based Ranking. If you follow it make sure you go for a very low comp keyword and post PBN Links once you website is settled for a Rank.
     
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    you really should reads ome guides here..
    and you will suddenly come to conclusion to treat those domains not as churn and burn trashh, but as assets.