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CPA White Hat Techniques: What the hell am I doing here?

Discussion in 'CPA' started by karukera, Nov 15, 2008.

  1. karukera

    karukera Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Hello guys how are you?

    Let's just cut to the chase. I just discovered this forum a few weeks ago and the amount of information here is just out of this world. BHW rocks!!!Of course, being in IM for slightly over two years now, I'm already a member over at dp, The Warrior Forum, Wealthy Affiliates, PPC Coach etc. Some are good, some are not so good. I wont go into detail.....

    Anyway, my primary area is Article Marketing and I've been doing quite ok with it, even though it was hard work at the beginning. I just started to outsource some of my stuff now to focus on other ventures...including CPA. That's why when it comes to CPA I'm fairly new and I've been spending the last 3 weeks absorbing as much info as I could. Some of the BH techniques shared here are quite eye-opening....to say the least.

    However, I still believe that if you make all your dough from BH techniques exclusively, you are obviously in the wrong business. That's why today I want to find out more about some of the best WH techniques you guys use with CPA;

    Coming from Clickbank and Bum marketing, I'm pretty aware of how to promote a Clickbank product using blog/lenses/articles/social networking sites, etc. Now the big question is....What are the long-term proven whitehat methods to promote CPA products?

    Is it the same as any affiliate product or are there any other whitehat methods more CPA-specific? Surely getting someone to buy a $29 ebook is much be different to getting them to complete a free survey to get a sandwich gift card. lol

    My limited knowledge of "whitehat" CPA allows me to think that I have to create blogs/lenses and then drive traffic to them using articles etc. But am I wrong?

    If you are a big CPA player and do whitehat (as we all do here of course ;-)), please share.

    Thanks:eek:
     
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  2. AmazinAzn

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    Why would I be in the wrong business if I make all my money from BH?
     
  3. karukera

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    Ha ha ha I was expecting that! Of course you are in the right business as long as you make money. Just wanted to share some WH methods that will allow us to fly under the radar long term. And I'm not talking about buying junk traffic here or even PPC. I'm talking about using highly targeted organic traffic to produce high standard leads that will eventually convert for the Advertiser. Anyone?
     
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  4. bintbiz

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    i believe BH is not for everyone. and its not the wrong business you just need a different mindset. thats all
     
  5. karukera

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    Come on guys....I know BH is not for everyone and it DOES require a different mindset. I was just wondering out of curiosity if you could actually make GOOD money with CPA using WH. just being curious.
     
  6. Mp3Mage

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    LOL? As far as I know CPA works best with the hat black. =]

    You can try whitehat sites like freebie incentive sites. They work wonders, but it's so saturated now.

    :usa:
     
  7. vivalafeva

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    i make some ok money doing blackhat cpa, 30-50 a day. But soon I hope to go white hat with it. Black hat is great quick short term money. White hat will make you a multi millionaire.
     
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  8. Patrat

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    In short and simple words WH is better in the long run and BH is better for quick cash.

    For example BH methods are very good for generating quick cash, some from day one. However these BH methods can change, fade out as networks policys change and measures are put in place. Plus you have the added facts that your accounts could be closed and you could lose money.

    With a WH site it may take a few months for you to see a return. However if using WH sites you should build a list, community, userbase and you will see the returns month by month.

    EDIT: Vivalafeva beat me too it, yes white hat will make you more money but takes more time, investment and effort.
     
  9. karukera

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    Yeah I know BH is short term that's exactly why it not a long-term business model. Still going back to my question lol: what WH techniques would you guys use to build long-term business with CPA? Apart from MP3Mage, no one has answered yet, which makes me think that it must be really hard to do well with WH CPA!!!!!

    If anyone has a detailed CPA white hat plan please come forward!!!!

    The idea here is OF COURSE to make money with BH in the short term and then turn around and apply proven WH methods that will last for years.
     
  10. cnwelf

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    what WH techniques would you guys use to build long-term business with CPA?

    link build
    get traffic from youtube.metacoffee
    seo
    renew your website every day


    detailed CPA white hat

    i just use BH .sorry
     
  11. zebrahat

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    WH (SEO keyworded site-article-lens) is mainly compatible with a pay-per-sale targeting strategy to get the people interested in buying your specific item to your site, who may then order the item. As CPA is about pay-per-performance and often involves no end sale to get a commission, an IM strategy for it doesn't have to rely on an SEO funnel. A mass traffic or post-SEO model is a better fit, which is why BH is more commonly linked to CPA.

    Since the OP writes articles, here's a possible pipeline (theory, haven't done this yet): Write articles on hot topics for Associated Content or similar site that mention your blog/lens (doesn't have to be hyperlinked if it has a very unusual name, as in 'on the applestink lens I reported'---people can google it). On your site have lots of CPM ads on it that pay you per impression, but the main link is to your free ebook or something, if they complete a free offer (maybe through trialpay).

    Upon completing the offer the landing page might be a FOTO (or free one-time offer to get another free item upon completing another free CPA). The ebook itself might be bundled with PPI software for another income center. The final thank you page could be your old-school SEO minisite or blog, where the prospect might actually buy something. But the nice thing about this whole pathway is it pays the IMer about 4 times without the prospect actually buying anything. Per 3000 visitors, you got paid for the AC article, paid from the CPM ads, paid per each ebook downloaded, paid for the FOTO and/or PPI---and the topic wasn't necessarily a targeted tight niche. A bit of BH to bring the traffic to the front of this funnel is all that's needed.
     
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  12. mraxe

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    Karukera -

    1- If you are already a member of PPC coach, then you should
    not ask, how to do WH leads. Because they teach you how
    to bring quality traffic to your offers, that would probably
    convert. ( According to my knowledge about them)

    2- If you are well versed with Clickbank products and
    the likes, then I am 100 percent sure, you know how
    to promote stuff for sales - thru articles, lens etc etc...

    3. You apply the same theory for getting CPA WH leads and may
    be you will see a good amount of conversion.

    4. It may be true that BH is not for everyone. But in the world
    of CPA, every campaign has an end date, and that which cannot be
    controlled by you. Say, you you wrote 100 articles and created
    50 lens for an offer and spent a ton of effort to get them published.

    ** But by the time you finished publishing them, the offer is already
    pulled out. Then what do you ? Well, you can always go for another
    offer from the same niche. But when things change so quickly you
    may not just have the time to build everything as in WH.

    Every campaign comes with a span of life - and they are adjusted (stop/start)
    according to the advertiser's meeting of business metrics.

    So most things are not in your hands. You just make the best use of the
    time you are allowed.

    Simple, time is money. Value it. Campaigns(BH) pays $$$$. Earn it.

    .....My 2 cents.
     
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    The other consideration is creating a salable business. A profitable WH business is easy to sell. BH not so much.
     
  14. spud--1

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    Black hat all the way for me, I want quick money now, im far too impatient, also I actually enjoy creating bh methods and putting my own spin on things, doesnt really seem like working where as white hat techniques i have tried feel far too much like work and bore me quickly.
     
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    Imo BH can work for long term too since you can allways come up some new ideas and outsource your stuff. Lets say about PPI ( even when its not too liked to discessed here but imo this is good for topic) sites changes their policies making it harder, but you can quite much outsource the job for other people lets say i do cpa torrents and now i need email ver + all shit to get my torrents online. well theres allways someone from somewhere whos willing to do the job for you and mostly alltime at the prices you will stay on profit your self :)
     
  16. karukera

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    Thanks Guys....your advice are really appreciated. Obviously I know exactly where I wanna go when it comes to CPA but it's always good to see what WH methods are worth spending time on. By the sound of it not a lot. At least not in CPA :D. LOL
     
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    I'm still wondering what the hell you're doing here.

    It's black hat world.

    If you want to do white hat, go to web master world. Oh wait, I'll save you a trip.

    Build a site related to the CPA offer you want your visitors to fill out. Put lots of useful info up on the site. Overwhelm them with research and facts and case studies and statistics and quotations and comments from respected authorities and make them love you and want to do nice things for you and trust you and believe that you only have their best interests at heart and are only recommending this offer because it helps save them and kittens and pandas and manatees and white tigers and the environment.

    Put a banner ad at the top for said CPA offer.

    Anything else?
     
  18. paperchaser

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    scubaslick basically said it.

    Its alot easier to create WH leads then BH leads in my opinion. They just cost alot more...lol
     
  19. karukera

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    LoL. I know exactly where I am and what Im doing here don't worry ;-). Thanks for the advice about getting WH leads, I will definitely take it!
     
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    You know, this is right on the money. Moreso than you realize, actually.

    This actually might be too good to reveal. Let me write it up.