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CPA Offers using seperate IPs

Discussion in 'CPA' started by ForeverNever, Oct 12, 2008.

  1. ForeverNever

    ForeverNever Power Member

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    I was just thinking about some of these CPA offers and what they pay for leads. Some offers pay almost $15/lead... So couldn't we just use separate IPs and do the simple zip submit, email submits, etc.

    Any thoughts?

    Realsan
     
  2. ForeverNever

    ForeverNever Power Member

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    Don't mean to bump my own post.. Just want to know what everyone else thinks about this.
     
  3. bhnoobz

    bhnoobz BANNED BANNED

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    Please do it so they will ban you , not pay you and hopefully sue you.
     
  4. ForeverNever

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    Damn dude chill out.. that's why I was asking. Just was curious...
    How could they know? Do you even know what I'm talking about?
     
  5. shaqsquash

    shaqsquash Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    ^ Don't worry about that dude, he's pretty hardcore on shit like this, even though its no different than the others of the more unethical stuff on this forum.

    There is a whole art to the method you are describing and its much more complex than simply changing your IP address. However if you cover all your tracks sufficiently, (changing cookies, addresses,emails,IP' etc) lets just say the chances of getting caught are slim to nil and the chances of making serious bank are significantly increased. Maybe not long term. but short term potential is pretty serious.

    Its really one of those borders areas of BH though. But I'm not mad at you . Cpa networks shave leads all the time. Do your thing but cover your ass namean.
     
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  6. stanvy

    stanvy Registered Member

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    you will get ban in no time

    they're not that stupid to pay you for false info.
     
  7. Chris Devon

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    They will find out if you are sending them bullshit leads. Here is and example: lets say you fill out offers for a car loan (about $20/ lead) undetected (change ip, cookies, browser, os...). You have to fill the lead with false info. So when the ppl that pay for your lead see the lead info and they call the number you provided in the lead to talk to the person. They see that the number doesn't exists, or a random person answers there call and says to them "WTF are you talking about"... Just think about it for a moment; they pay you to make them money... you ain't making them money so....

    I'm not saying that is impossible, but they will find out sooner or later
     
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  8. godzila1

    godzila1 Newbie

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    CPA companies will get it at some point because they will track their conversions.
    You can do it, it is possible but it is illegal and I will not reccommend it.
    Use the different IP`s, send some traffic (medium traffic, not junk traffic).
    But beware they will sue you for sure if you do this.
    And if you are doing it do the bailout quickly.Take care
     
  9. pcmoseley

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    Yeah its not worth it. Once you fill out the leads you will still have to wait 1-2 months to see if you even get the money.
     
  10. shaqsquash

    shaqsquash Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Unless you totally clean them ou or get really greedy, Its unlikely that they'll go through to try and sue you. You stay under a certain amount per network and do multiple offers you should be fine. You could do this for several months and not get caught if your doing it right, but your right, eventually it will catch up to you.

    If you doing this, I would suggest you use the money to set up legitimate PPC/banner campaigns and reinvest it back into legitimate traffic and leads. But provided you cover your tracks you should technically be fine.
     
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  11. bhnoobz

    bhnoobz BANNED BANNED

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    I've said it before , if you spent the same amount of time and effort trying to rip them off by being a fucking douchebag, you could earn much more and not worry about being termed. But there's always a bunch of scumbag morons that want something for nothing.
     
  12. captainbrian

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    What site will give you 15$ a lead? just curious. Doing the leads yourself can get you banned quick, but there are ways to get others to fill these out for you, if u give them an incentive. It still may get you banned, but thats why there are a lot of companies to work through. Its worth a try.. what site are you using to get 15$ though?
     
  13. cassycan

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    Wow! I just fell into this thread and was reading it. Did I fall into church? This is BLACKHat world. Why jump his bones? If the guy calls 10 or twenty friends and gets them to fill out the forms he is gold. IF he gets 100 then he will get banned. Pigs get fed and Hogs get slaughtered
     
  14. scubaslick

    scubaslick Regular Member

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    I've been where you are, and it's possible, but all moral/ethical bullshit aside, it's just not worth it. Yes, you can make money, but you will have to spend 20 times as much time not getting caught as you would just generating real traffic.

    I don't mean you have to be white hat, I just mean it's easier, faster and in the end more profitable to find ways to get OTHER real people out there in the world to fill in leads for you. Doing it yourself just means you've created a new kind of job for yourself. And you've created problems that are potentially lethal to your reputation in the industry.

    When I first started I was desperate for some cash, so I did something stupid like this for a few weeks. Now a year and a half later I STILL look back and wonder if I missed something that will crop up and kill a good relationship now that I'm starting to make some real money.

    It's not about black or white, moral or immoral, ethical or unethical. It's about common sense: eventually you'll regret starting out this way if you do it. As Shaq said, adding a little extra batter to the cake to even out the bullshit shaving is one thing; doing it just to keep from having to really learn and think and find ways to get others to do the fill ins is lucrative but very hard to sustain.

    I'd find another way. There are about a hundred of them here on this site that if you'll just put in some time and work will pay off much better in the long run.

    And if you're desperate, you're in the wrong frame of mind to do ANYTHING blackhat; desperation leads to mistakes.

    My $.02
     
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  15. shaqsquash

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    True. However I can also understand the need to make a little start up cash for bigger legitimate projects. In my case, if I made 12k after doing shit lead generation for a month, just to reinvest that into something that makes me 20k, personally I wouldn't be feeling too regretful. In the end it makes them more money anyway.
     
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  16. bhnoobz

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    There are plenty of other methods that could make you 12k in a month that won't get you sued or prosecuted. Remove your head from your ass and I'm sure your view will be shit free. :)
     
  17. hustlingrind

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    lol it's so true. It would be so much work to pull this scam off I can't believe people consider it. And when the OP said "Do you even know what I mean?"...

    Why does everyone who has this retarded idea think they are the genius that thought it up! lol
     
  18. madhatter110

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    12k a month ? bhnoobz? care to say which methods can do that ?
     
  19. scubaslick

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    I'm not anti-ultra-blackhat, nor am I anti quick cash. I'm just saying that straight up lead fraud is the easiest way to detect and consequently the most time consuming to hide.

    If you want a good way to make 10-20k quickly, spend a couple thousand on real traffic that converts and ADD the bullshit. At least that way something converts and you can ask with total sincerity, "So NONE of it converted? Oh, it did? So what's the problem? I'll just stop running it."

    edit: On more reflection, no need to get personal. My apologies.

    I guess if I foresaw doom for the industry in this I would too, but the reality is that we all get shaved of legitimate leads every day. You can cry chicken vs. egg till you're blue in the face, but if you DON'T add a few extra leads, all you're doing is giving the advertisers free reign to fuck you over and giving your competition the dollar for dollar advantage over you in terms of cost per click.

    Honor is one thing but being stupidly honorable is just bad business.

    You can criticize all you want but the truth is, all you're doing is giving away money that you legitimately earned if you DON'T pad the numbers at least a little.
     
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  20. madhatter110

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    i do not want to do any lead fraud, but just for learning or knowing sakes i am curious on how exactly they know somebody is doing this, i know these are multimillion dollar companies and they probably spend alot of money catching fuckers who are doing this but some ppl on this thread are saying you will get caught right away, how exactly can you justify that.?