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CPA Networks are not GOD.

Discussion in 'CPA' started by Virus1, Mar 17, 2011.

  1. Virus1

    Virus1 Supreme Member

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    I see people getting practically depressed when they get turned down
    by a CPA network.

    Let me shed some light on this situation.

    CPA networks are sometimes a group of Internet Marketers like you,
    that got together and opened an CPA network.

    As much as they sell to you that they have exclsive offers... that is not always true.

    For Example...I applied to this popular network... got accepted.

    Then I applied to the offer of AMOLATINA.com a dating site.
    I wanted to promote that offer because it paid $100 per sign up.
    Guess what.... I was denied. "We don't know what kind of traffic you are going to send us... so for now we will deny you " was their response.

    So this is what i did...
    i went to amolatina.com directly and applied to be a direct affiliate....
    and guess what... they accept everybody.
    no bullshit questions about where your traffic is coming from..
    no bullshit questions about how long you have been an affilliate marketer...
    nothing... just signup...
    and ready to promote the offer in less than an hour....
    and to top it off... the offer pays $150 when you are a direct affiliate..
    and if you send more than 50 leads it goes up to $250....
    when the cpa network was only paying $100 flat no matter the number of leads you send....


    Sometimes on dating offers CPA networks will have an age or sex restriction.... males 25+.... really....
    what do you think happens when you send a 20 year old female to the offer and signs up, do you think a big sign comes up saying....
    "we are only accepting males 25+,please go to our competitor and sign up,they take everyone"
    of course not... they sign that person up... and you get paid nothing....

    Because I don't know about you.... but I don't have control over my traffic unless its from facebook.... I don't normally get to choose males or females or ages or nothing..

    So moral of the story.... if you want an offer really bad... go directly to the offer... and look for the affiliate sign up page.

    sometimes it helps if you google (ie Singlesnet affiliate) then it takes you to the page directly.... (by the way that singlesnet converts like crazy)
    and sign up is usually easy as fuk... no phone call..no questions...
    they don't give a fuk where traffic comes from... no age nor sex restrictions.... They normally allow facebook, craiglist, organic, ppc, they just don't care, and why should they... if these people are signing up.

    also look for a competitor of that offer.... they might be paying even more...

    Here is a hint...
    If a CPA network restricts the offer from running on for example craiglist or facebook... then go and sign up directly and run it on craiglist or facebook
    and watch it convert like crazy....
    I believe the restriction comes from the CPA network running the offer and making bank.... so they do not want competition so they set restrictions and blame it on the advertiser.


    Good Luck

    Hope this bit of info helps you.

    Virus1
     
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  2. downloaddiva

    downloaddiva Newbie

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    This is an excellent point! I completely agree.

    I've all but decided to only deal with the merchant unless they don't have an affiliate program...:eek::confused::p

    screw the cpa networks. Like i'm going to roll over and beg them to give me a serious pay cut and tell me where/when/how i get my traffic! f*** that! :pirate:
     
  3. facebookdude

    facebookdude Elite Member

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    Good points there, I don't know about this point though. Usually the advertiser chooses where they want the traffic and the network passes it on to the publisher. If you are promoting an offer you will see that all the networks that have it, have the same restrictions. I don't know what the network would gain by restricting the traffic.

    Also, what network are using? If you have a good relationship with the owner you can hit them up about shit like this and if they like you enough, they can give you bumps. For dating I would never go through an affiliate company.
     
  4. ronin1975br

    ronin1975br Junior Member

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    Totally agree.
    Go direct to the source is always the best.
     
  5. xpwizard

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    Not true. Have you ever tried chasing a payment from a direct advertiser? It's a lot harder than bashing an affiliate network to get paid.

    While I do agree that going direct can be better, a lot of the time you will be on a lower payout due to less volume. The networks are able to provide higher payouts as they pull all their traffic together.
    The restrictions you see on some of the offers are there for a reason. That's what converts in the backend for the advertiser... If you go direct and start sending a lot of 18-22 year old males you'll find that after a month or two you will be put on a lower payout due to less sales in the backend. (Unless your traffic really converts, etc).

    Another thing about going direct, don't be surprised if 2days before payout they tell you your traffic isn't converting and put you on a rev share...

    @OP, while I do agree that CPA networks have a bit too much power at times, they are there for a reason. If we didn't need them, then everyone would just go direct... But that's not the case. They help negotiate, float payments, and are able to provider higher payouts/hide shady traffic due to their superior volume of leads.
     
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  6. hurn

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    good point. If you have a good converting compaign always it is better to contact competitors directly to get direct offers.
     
  7. Greybeard

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    Good post-- definitely had some stuff in it that I didn't know, not least the fact that dating websites pay so much to affiliates. Anyway, I agree that it's always best to go to the source if you can. It nearly always turns out better.
     
  8. kideze

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    i think it all depends on the offers, but this is defiantly a good post because most people think with out the cpa network they cant make any money.
     
  9. monica1989

    monica1989 Newbie

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    yes.... u are right
     
  10. zhaosaccount

    zhaosaccount Junior Member

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    Good point
     
  11. crosnake

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    Wow, You are right
     
  12. Royalserviceteam

    Royalserviceteam Power Member

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    I am agree with you
     
  13. Riseing

    Riseing Regular Member

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    Really sorry but OCD moment here
    "agreeing"
    I am "agreeing" with you.
    Agreed is past tense you need present tense.
     
  14. roblooman

    roblooman Registered Member

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    so what would you have to do to make it work sign up with the main provider give them traffic get 100 buck a pop per conversion....

    damb its time i got into the datting niche..


    how would you run this?


    Rob
     
  15. lurnme

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    Hmm, not sure about that. I get my CPA to get the offers I need so I don't have to mess with payments. Most directs don't pay weekly, plus a lot of times CPA companies get paid more because the bulk amount.

    Sounds like you're dealing with the wrong CPA companies.
     
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    farfora02 Newbie

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    thank u
     
  17. davidmayerc

    davidmayerc Registered Member

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    I agree with your point man.
     
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    alexking Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Spot on, excellent post
     
  19. skohh

    skohh Regular Member

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    this whole thread just had an "ah-ha" moment.

    Epic post from the one and only Virus1
     
  20. EmpireQuality

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    you have to remember that CPA networks are just middle men between you and advertisers. thats all they are. so, with that being said, there is no need to work with CPA networks if you looking to promote a specific dating offer or some other type of PPS offer, CPA networks are not relevant for this case, just cut them out because they are a middle man that is not needed. but, on the other hand, CPA networks are good for email submits and those types of offers because its hard to go directly to the advertisers for these types of offers, unless of course i dont know how to go directly to these types of advertisers, please shed some light if anyone knows how to do this!