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CPA/Game hacks. keyword planners show wrong ammounts?

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  1. aidenhera

    aidenhera Elite Member

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    Alright im always using 2 keyword planners in case one is showing shitty unbelieveable amounts.

    Can you guys tell me how they work? Do they really base on real search volume? Because Ive checked this keyword: "gamename hack"=8000 searches per month. Of course gamename is my niche not sharing it.

    Then i wrote the same keyword with an extension "gamename hack download"=80 searches per month
    what the hell?
    im lifetime gamer and i know that people while look for a hack to their game, they search for a phrase with "download" in it. Because they are ready to download the file and want to do it already.

    Im really basing my H1, H2, titletag, keywords, whole posts descriptions, image alts and everything on these keywords so the page has better on page SEO. But these amounts are unbelieveable ....

    How can you guys relate to this? It takes me 2 hours or more to write one niche post. I dont wanna realise afterwards that ive picked wrong keywords for 20 posts or more.
     
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    Zwielicht Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    The Google Keyword Planner displays the search volume for the specific keyword you search for, except for the cases where Google pools results together, but let's not get into that right now. While you're aware that people in your niche are searching for "gamename hack download", not everyone is necessarily typing in that exact term to find it.

    For instance, some people may type in "the best gamename hack downloads", others will type in "gamename hack downloads free", and many people may misspell a word or two in between. All of these variants, even "gamename hack downloads", will show up as separate results in the Google Keyword Planner and display a different search volume than the keyword "gamename hack download". It's because of this that "gamename hack" has an average of 8,000 searches per month while "gamename hack download" only has an average of 80 searches per month. You'd be surprised about how much a subtle difference can make between keyword search volumes.

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    The way to get around the problem you mentioned in your post is by ranking for what's referred to as latent semantic indexing keywords (LSI keywords) by including them throughout your posts. So if your main keyword is "gamename hack download", then you'll want to include the example keywords I mentioned above in your article. What this does is increase the likelihood that you'll rank for your primary keyword and its LSI variants (potentially more traffic).

    I also went ahead and moved your thread to the White Hat SEO section since this was an SEO question and not an "Affiliate programs" question.
     
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  3. aidenhera

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    Oh I see. Yeah I was using some LSI suggestion tool. Now i think of it, the LSI it suggested arent really the ones that have search volume in keyword planner, but thats alright ill add them manually as well.

    Thanks for your answer, now it makes more sense because "cheat" and "cheats" often (well not always) showed the same amount, nevertheless im still not sure.

    So what basically is happening is that there are different sites (in most cases just slightly different, at least thats my feeling for now) after searching for "game hack" and "game hacks", yet you wont know about it because keyword planners show these two (or more) as one phrase with bigger amount after concantenating these numbers. I cant tell if its always concantenating. Because sometimes Cheats is like 1700 and Cheat is like 1300, if it was always contantenating then according to the article u linked it should show 1700 (the bigger amount) to both of them. Maybe tool is outdated. Or maybe ive understood something wrong.

    However im not sure to which degree this contantenation will work. I mean, it shows mentioned above keywords as one amount because they are extremaly similar (just added s), but how about phrases like "free download of game hack" or "free game hack download"? Does it still count to "game hack" search volume amount in keyword planners or not?

    Seems the more you know the more you seek for.

    PS the article you linked is in some part saying the thing that is opposite to your post.
    You said these two will show as separate results:

    "All of these variants, even "gamename hack downloads", will show up as separate results in the Google Keyword Planner and display a different search volume than the keyword "gamename hack download""

    However they say and even show image of how singural and plural versions of keyword like "gamename hack downloads" and "gamename hack download" show the same, contantated amount.

    Did i understood something wrong or you made a mistake? Theres also someone suggesting in comments that if you set up campaign in adword while paying enough money (nobody knows how much) then google will start showing real search volume for any form (singural/plural/mispelling/other) of keyword.
     
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    It doesn't happen all the time, which is why I said "in some cases". If it happened every time, then the screenshot I posted in my first post of those two example keywords would have shown both keywords with the same search volume.

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    What that person in the comments section was referring to is the data ranges that the Google Keyword Planner displays when you don't have a campaign set up. They'll look like the results in the image below.
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    If you're getting exact numbers like the results shown in the image in my first post, then that's as accurate as they'll get.

    It's 3 in the morning when I live, so I won't be able to respond much after this.

    Edit: My curiosity got the better of me. When you want to see if the data for keywords is being lumped together, search for both of the keywords of the same line separated by a comma "game hack, games hack". You'll get a message telling you if their data has been lumped together.
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    Just so you can see how it doesn't happen all the time, I put in "game hacker download" and "games hacker download". Two closely related keywords, yet their data isn't lumped together.
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