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CPA accounts with black hat leads?

Discussion in 'Affiliate Programs' started by andre09, Aug 7, 2008.

  1. andre09

    andre09 Junior Member

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    Hi, I have recently started a new blackhat method that generates me a lot of leads, but I am worried since all of them are pretty much bad that my accounts may be closed. Has anyone had their CJ or Copeac account closed for this? Also, would they pay me the sum I had made UP to the point of the account being closed, or just not pay at all? Thanks
     
  2. Rambo

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    Well if you are generating a lot of leads that are not going to convert at all, the network will realise and ban you for breaking their TOS.

    The leads will not back out for the advertiser and they will contact the network who will then start asking you questions and then you wont have the answers.

    Maybe you can funnel the leads through various CPA accounts. That would give you a better chance of not being banned.

    Also I think if they ban you, they wont pay you a cent of any money before this blackhat method. They'll just ban you, end of.

    How many leads are you generating that you think may cause suspicion?
     
  3. andre09

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    About a hundred a day. I read this method of a guide and he made 11,000$ of cj and $20,000 without getting banned! The leads all have realistic info, they just don't convert.
     
  4. cparainmaker

    cparainmaker BANNED BANNED

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    What kind of leads are we talking here, high $ leads or some cheap email submits and stuff...
     
  5. Rambo

    Rambo BANNED BANNED

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    Yeah give us that and then we can determine the approximate value.

    Theres a big difference if its a $10 offer and a $1.50 offer.

    The value will also depend on how much the networks will allow you to get away with.
     
  6. CyberDilemma

    CyberDilemma Regular Member

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    Just find legit leads and sprinkle the bad in with mostly good. Sending ALL bad leads is a surefire ticket to getting cut off.
     
  7. andre09

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    thanks for the replies, with CJ it is just 3.75$ leads, but with COPEAC it is $15.50 leads. I think I'll try to get real leads too
     
  8. PanamaHosting

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    its a horrible idea but if you can get away with it, go for it.

    the best way to stay undected would to be mix legit traffic/leads with fake traffic/leads. so that way at least you have some good conversion ratio.

    Regards
    PanamaHosting
     
  9. MaxSteve

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    Hi, I've recently discovered that if I walk into a clothing store and quickly stuff a pair of jeans in my backpack and walk out quick, I can get away without paying for them. But I am worried that with my new method of stuffing 100 pairs of jeans in my backpack, it will get very heavy and noticeable and I'll be stopped by security on my way out. Do you think I'd get charged for shoplifting or do you think they'd let me walk out and keep the jeans because I paid someone $10K for this great new method?

    Whether you are shoplifting jeans or generating bad leads for a merchant, you are stealing. It completely blows my mind everytime I read a post from a noob asking if they'll face consequences for STEALING!!! Yes, your account will get banned. Yes, you will lose all of your money. If your volume is high enough, you might even get the bonus prize of having all of your contact info sent to the merchant so that they can follow-up with you through legal channels.
     
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  10. MaxSteve

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    As much as that could work fine, 95% of the people who ask this "will I get caught" question do not have the skills required to generate any real leads.
     
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  11. MontyzPython

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    "If I print my own counterfeit money, will I get caught?"

    Yep. It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when".
     
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  12. cparainmaker

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    Seriously I am sick of retarded noobs asking questions about cpa fraud, go mug somebody if your that desperate.
     
  13. megabump

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    You probably won't get your money since you got greedy and made too much, too fast. But for anyone else about to embark on a similar mission:

    Use a percentage of the money you make to generate real leads, even if you lose money generating them. Better to make some money then none at all.

    If you can't figure out how to generate real leads with a negative EPC (earnings per click), you don't deserve to make that much money.
     
  14. andre09

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    Can someone enlighten me on what black hat methods are not considered stealing? I mean, in cookie stuffing doesn't EPN have their money "stolen" from untrue affiliate commissions? I thought the point of black hat is that one person wins while the other person loses, or else what exactly is the result of doing black hat methods?
     
  15. MaxSteve

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    There are about as many different definitions of blackhat here as there are members.

    As a rep from a network, what I would consider to be acceptable black hat is tweaking/gaming the system (google, facebook, whatever) to increase the number of people who check out an offer through your link and/or lower your cost to get those people to check out an offer through your link. These would be real people legitimately checking out the offer.

    Fake leads, mega deceptive ad copy (including PPC placements), incentivizing offers that don't want it, tricking the people to fill out an offer, paying people to fill out an offer, are all things I would consider unacceptable because a real lead is not being generated.

    Bottom line is you have to send real people and real leads to the merchant. Anything else is cheating and could get you banned from a network.
     
  16. crsk8andsno56

    crsk8andsno56 Senior Member

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    Alright I agree with you FromANetwork but isnt scamming yahoo,google,msn, facebook, just as much of a fraud? You are getting around the rules that they set in place in a blackhat and what they would consider an illegal manner...
    Getting banned from a network is the same thing as getting banned from a search engine in there eyes.

    Your frauding google money if you are tricking there bots to get lower clicks etc
     
  17. andre09

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    Can I ask what is your take on Cookie Stuffing, and the members download of this forum?

     
  18. greyhatcpa

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    you can get away with blackhatting networks if done right
     
  19. Nick Flame

    Nick Flame Executive VIP Premium Member

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    How convenient is your definition of blackhat for you... let anyone else cheat and trick all systems they want as long as they bring you real customers and fatten your pockets with cash... and in the mean time they assume all the risks of getting banned, legal actions, working for nothing etc... what a wonderful world, huh?
     
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  20. The OA

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    Good point Nick.