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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by lokko, Mar 21, 2017.

  1. lokko

    lokko Regular Member

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    -How long does rankings take on average after PBN links? For new sites, and what do you consider new sites? 1-3 months, 1-6 months, 1 year?

    -Is it okay to have multiple money sites on one shared hosting account?

    -How fast and how many would you build/buy pbn sites for new sites?

    -Should I buy an expired domain for a money site to rank faster?
     
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    One site, one IP. This is mandatory for fast indexing and safety, no footprint. Supply your sitemap and at least one time a week test broken links or bad links pointing your URL.

    I take 2 weeks to get a PBN set and done. I don't count results before 90 days. Scrutinized, I will play my game for that niche.

    Expired domains will be 10% of your powerhouse but yes, buy some and link back slowly.

    Hope I have helped you a little. ;)
     
  3. Unreliable Witness

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    There is a recent article on Moz that suggests a link kicks in after 10 weeks on average.

    There is no definition of a new site - some people will think that it is one that is less than a week old, others less than a year old.

    You can have multiple money sites on the same hosting.
     
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    From experience, it depends on niche and competition. Rankings can take anywhere from 2 weeks to 3 months. But movement is seen immediately on adding links. If the ROI is good in the niche then it makes sense to buy expired domains and build out your own PBN network else buy links. Also having multiple money sites on the same hosting is nothing to worry about unless you plan to link between them.
     
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    Don't take me wrong buddy, but MOZ... Arghhh. You find more knowledge here nowadays!
     
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    Actually, it takes some time say for 2 or 3 weeks to stand your site in a good place according to powerful links you build. Google update will accept only unique and spam free links to index and helps to rank the money site soon.
     
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    it's why his name is "unreliable" witness
    anyways

    -How long does rankings take on average after PBN links? For new sites, and what do you consider new sites? 1-3 months, 1-6 months, 1 year?
    Depends on the PBN, every PBN has different index rates, if you are dumping x amount of PBN onto a money site all on 1 day, and all getting indexed at once, that's already a massive flag, but let's assume you are taking a dripfeed option.
    It should usually start google dancing as short as 1 week, to as long as 2-3 months before finally settling down.

    -Is it okay to have multiple money sites on one shared hosting account?
    That's fine, assuming your shared hosting account can handle all the traffic
    However, many may not think of this but, lets just say you have 5 money sites on 1 hosting account, then you go purchase 5 packages of PBN links for xxx provider.
    If you do have the same PBN domains pointing to 2 or more of those money sites, you might have some exposure leak.
    However, it may not even happen as some vendors in BHW have hundreds of sites in their inventory, but yeah, the risk is there.

    -How fast and how many would you build/buy pbn sites for new sites?
    Depends on the back link profile of the site, i wouldn't build PBN from ground up, i would start with social media, guest posts and some proper tiered web20 before rushing off to PBN.
    PBN is excellent source of link juice, but it's a double edge sword, it can be terrible and damaging if used retardedly.

    -Should I buy an expired domain for a money site to rank faster?
    Expired domains have advantage, as a pre-build BL profile, a domain that is already in circulation, already used. Could be already Branded, or it could be completely different to the topic you are doing. Regardless whether or not it is in the same niche.
    The biggest advantage from my stand point of choosing to used a expired domain is, if it has a clean history, and still pretty juciy and strong, it index is higher, which means you pretty much have a jumpstart at shit, but it is still nothing a virgin domain cannot do.
     
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    Perfectly explained. @xReminisce
     
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    @xReminisce

    How would you best describe a "proper tiered web20"
     
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    I'm not evangelising Moz. Much of the stuff on their blog is simply amplifying what Google wants us to hear.

    There was an "experiment" written up that concluded that 10 weeks was the average. That fits in with my experience of other link building.

    There is as much misinformation on BHW as anywhere else. You have to read around.
     
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    I would treat them the same way i treat my PBNs
    I would have proper PBN/Money-site level articles, not just a few pages of content, but up to hundreds of articles on niches.
    Have articles linking to other non-competitive authority sites.
    Have Privacy and TOS
    The aim i see it is having quality over quantity.
    It is time-consuming, but to me, it is better than having a multi-tiered spammed web2.0
    Then, the next tier under them, i would do the everything the same but less hence, having same level of content, 10~30 pages of content.
    still point outwards to other non-competitive authority sites.

    I usually to never build a third tier, as It gets much to time consuming.

    With that, i do add content to them, over time, on a longer scale than my PBNs would (e.g if my pbn gets 3 post a month, my web20 gets 1)

    But hey, that's my way of building web2.0s
     
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    Thanks for the detailed explanation.

    I think that the obvious question that stems from it is, if you are going to make that much effort to build quality web 2.0's, which you don't technically own, and can be removed at any point, why not just build multiple websites that you actually own?
     
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    Because, then it be just a PBN (which isn't bad but then, you have to remember these factors -> which means, $$ domain, $$ hosting blah blah blah). If not, it be just a useless domain with awesome articles to it.
    Also, Always have your articles backed up, labelled to which site is using them.

    If the site gets taken down.
    That's ok. means, that site gonna be de-indexed soon, articles are yours to use again. right, since it's nowhere in google database ?
    You ain't plagiarising nor are you copying anything what doesn't exist.
     
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    And I guess that you can also change the links on the tier 2's to the new tier 1's, so you don't loose much.

    Do the web 2.0's get taken down regularly when you treat them this well?

    Do you only link out from their homepages, and if not, do you build tier 2's to the inner pages as well?

    Is this really a powerful ranking method nowadays?
     
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    Do the web 2.0's get taken down regularly when you treat them this well?
    Yes, some sites are just cunts honestly, even when i havent got a single outbound link, they still suspend my account.
    I just not bother using their service anymore, and any sites with similar layouts, i completely avoid.

    Do you only link out from their homepages, and if not, do you build tier 2's to the inner pages as well?
    I build towards homepages aswell as inner pages. I don't link towards a certain inner page more than once unless, all the other articles are linked out at least once.
    As i feel it is a flag and footprint, "why is it only linking to this "backlink" while the other articles with backlinks don't get linked out."
    I have my main niche articles on feature/sticky on homepage, which helps i guess.

    Is this really a powerful ranking method nowadays?
    No idea, this is what i use, it works on low competition quite well, medium comp takes longer, never tried high comp.
    Others may agree, they may have other ways to create web20s, idk, really, i do what works for me.
    People say, the spam tier web20 still works, i stopped using them long time ago to have a say in that.
    I just feel, messy backlink profile will come back and haunt you, even if its a bit further down the line.

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