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Could use some insight on SEO

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by makinbuckz, Feb 8, 2011.

  1. makinbuckz

    makinbuckz Junior Member

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    I've been trying to get a site moved up to page 1 for 3 weeks now, with no luck. It's stuck on page 3. I've made all of the adjustments with on-page SEO, like meta tags, keyword placement, a link to an authority site, and have the keyword in the domain name. I even have 500 backlinks, some with PR3 and above. This thing just isn't moving.
    Any suggestions on how to get it climbing will be greatly appreciated!
     
  2. JasonG

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    Do you have 500 links to the actual site itself? If so, how long did it take for you to get those to it? Too many too soon sends up a red flag...

    Also - how old is the site? versus how old your competing sites are?

    There are a lot of factors you need to look into. SEO is part of it but there is a plethora of things beyond SEO you need to check into.
     
  3. makinbuckz

    makinbuckz Junior Member

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    The domain is 2 months old. There are a few sites on page 1 that have aged domains. The links were built over a period of 3 weeks. Some blog comments, social bookmarking and 1 scrapebox blast.
     
  4. luca6899

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    You should learn more about:

    - Google Competition, WHAT keyword are you trying to rank, and is that keyword very competitive? the more competitive the harder it is ofcourse

    - You have done your On-Page SEO, did you do it for the right keywords? Do you have a exact match domain? Do you have it in your h1 tags, alt images, bold, italic whatever... Now compare your on-page seo with your competition for THAT SPECIFIC keyword you want to rank with. Then look at they're off-page seo. Don't get scared if they have much links, because quality goes over quantity. And getting links is a piece of cake with software these days, just got to use your brain.

    - KNOW your competition, like you know your pockets...

    - Once you know exactly, WHO is competing for your keywords, what his on-page seo is capable of, and how strong his off page seo is. You will know if you can easily beat him or not, and you will know why your not on the first page.

    Funny enough, everything, and everything is just in front of your nose, you just got to open your eyes honest... If you think and use some tools which are also in front of your nose.. You can see exactly how easy or hard it's going to is to beat them. Then it's a no-risk situation if you know you can beat them, do it. Ofcourse: "Nothing is set in stone in SEO" don't forget that.

    just some advice.

    Luca
     
  5. makinbuckz

    makinbuckz Junior Member

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    And yes, they do go to the site itself.
     
  6. makinbuckz

    makinbuckz Junior Member

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    The keyword is "dentist my city", so there isn't a whole lot of competition. 20k exact results in G. I have an exact match domain and did the on-page with the exact domain, with h1, alt and so forth. I use the SEO Doctor Firefox plugin to check for things i missed and it shows that i'm at 98%.
    How can you tell what another's SEO capabilities are, and what tools do you recommend to find out how hard it is to beat someone?
     
  7. blackmamba456

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    hmm, odd to have so much trouble with a local search term. Your domain will definately help.

    I'm thinking you've prbably done some xrumer blast services? Or maye some manual social bookmarking services? Maybe even some scrapebox blog commenting services on this forum?

    If you haven't tried any of the above, you should. Go to the services or sale section on here, sort the threads by number of replies and pick out some cheap linking services. Seriously they are cheap and usually effective, try to leave xrumer blasts till last though since they normally only have positive effect after some authority links (i.e: those from high PR sites, like social bookmarks).

    If those don't get you page one within a month I would be surprised. If they don't, go to linxboss.com and get a subscription, very expensive, but it hasn't failed to get me number one yet (after 3 months and for reasonably competive keywords, should be great for local type keywords).
     
  8. luca6899

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    I think you have built links to fast because it's dentist your city and not a big niche like weight loss, it's local. You say you have built 500 links in 3 weeks, depending on what kind of links it is: Anchor text, PR, Relevant Content?, And more, And how you mixed these links, (Did you only do web 2.0 links, or only SB blasts, Profile Links??) Always try to mix as much as possible, so it's unpredictable for google.

    PLUS I think you made the mistake of sending the SB links straight to your main site. You should have "FILTERED" it through a web 2.0 site or Article Site, with the right on-page seo, good amount or quality links built to this web, and anchor text.

    Then from the web 2.0 page link to your main domain. I did this a few times with my local websites and google caught me. How? I think because it can see your process one way or another, and because there is nearly no local optimizers, or dentists, there could not possible be information coming in every day, and 55 links build every day (Funny enough maybe JUST SB blasts which makes it even more obvious)

    You should create QUALITY links (Web 2.0, Ezine articles, Etc..) with the right anchor text to your website, and SB Blast links to these web 2.0 sites. Then a extra maybe build a few extra web 2.0 sites, linkwheel, etc...

    Try to remember:

    Have a optimized article, pointing to your optimized web page, with the right optimized anchor text. There are a lot more factors that could be counting, but this is when your in highly competitive niches, not local.

    Luca
     
  9. luca6899

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    I think you have built links to fast because it's dentist your city and not a big niche like weight loss, it's local. You say you have built 500 links in 3 weeks, depending on what kind of links it is: Anchor text, PR, Relevant Content?, And more, And how you mixed these links, (Did you only do web 2.0 links, Do-Follow, No-follow, or only SB blasts, Profile Links??, Video links, Ebook links, god knows...) Always try to mix as much as possible, so it's unpredictable for google.

    PLUS I think you made the mistake of sending the SB links straight to your main site. You should have "FILTERED" it through a web 2.0 site or Article Site, with the right on-page seo, good amount or quality links built to this web, and anchor text. Then from the web 2.0 page link to your main domain. I did the same that you did a few times with my local websites and google caught me.

    How? I think because it can see your process one way or another, and because there is nearly no LOCAL optimizers, or let's say dentists, there could not possible be information coming in every day, and heavy links build every day (Funny enough maybe JUST SB blasts which makes it even more obvious) make it more obvious that you are trying to rank.

    You should create QUALITY links (Web 2.0, Ezine articles, Etc..) with the right anchor text to your website, and SB Blast links to these web 2.0 sites. Then a extra maybe build a few extra web 2.0 sites, linkwheel, etc...

    Try to remember:

    Have a optimized article, pointing to your optimized web page, with the right optimized anchor text. There are a lot more factors that could be counting, but this is when your in highly competitive niches, not local.

    Don't leave footprints, think like a search engine, there are even plugins that show your website like a search engine bot sees it, just try it out see how it looks. It might change your thinking a bit.

    Understand the value of your competitors On-page strategies, and links.

    I see it like this: Your whole competition is see through!

    What do I mean? You know WHO your competition is, You know how STRONG your competition is, You know what to do to OUTRANK your competition.

    You also know how many people search for the keyword, howmuch people might come to your website and howmuch you will make out of it. So funny enough, all your questions can be anwsered by simple research.

    Luca
     
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  10. makinbuckz

    makinbuckz Junior Member

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    Thanks so much for your time on this!
    So your saying that i should start by creating backlinks with web 2.0 sites first, like social bookmarking sites? and then use SB to blast links to those bookmarks that were created? I guess this process builds a lot of link juice?
    Can you explain a little on hoe not to leave footprints? And can you tell me what pligin you were talking about with the bot thing?
    One more thing...what tools do you use to find out what needs to be done in order for you to outrank someone?

    Sorry for all of the questions. I'm trying really hard to get this going. I have a lot riding on this, so your help is going to a great cause!
    Thank you!!
     
  11. luca6899

    luca6899 Registered Member

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    Start making 3 web 2.0 sites. in 4 a day period, would be good if you used proxies when creating and logging in these accounts.

    Web 2.0 sites:

    - Quizilla
    - Squidoo
    - Wordpress
    - Etc...

    Then you need content on these web 2.0 sites, you can't just create them and smack something on it. It has to be either properly spun or unique content.

    Then after doing some on-page seo on the web 2.0 sites (h1, Bold, Alt img text, etc..) you send a link with the anchor text you want your page to rank with to your main site (money site) Then build Scrapebox Links to these web 2.0s

    Ofcourse this keyword needs to be researched for competition power beforehand. That's another subject.

    Anyway I recommend you to have a look at these softwares:

    - The Best Spinner
    - Market Samurai
    - Understand Scrapebox and all the features, because everything has it's use, and you need to know it one day or another.

    Check the videos on the market samurai website, it will tell you how to research competition and keywords.

    The best spinner will teach you how to spin xD

    Good luck,
    Luca
     
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  12. richlondon18

    richlondon18 Junior Member

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    As you say it should not be that difficult to rank for your keyword and you might be getting punished for too many links too quick but every man and his dog have differeng opinions about that

    Personally I would just slow down any link building you are doing and add more UNIQUE content and you should start to see it climb gradually, slowly, slowly catchy monkey