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Could G just decide to wipe out nearly all BH techniques in one fell swoop/update?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Ranko Jones, Jun 30, 2011.

  1. Ranko Jones

    Ranko Jones BANNED BANNED

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    Couldn't they eventually just decide 'ok we've had enough of this manipulating the system and we can now determine those who abuse the system and filter them out'- update commenced.

    Is this a likelihood?

    Would there be other ways around?

    As I am quite interested in evolutionary biology I sort of like to think that if it did happen soon enough there would be enough demand (selection pressure) that there would just be new workarounds for that algorithm to be exploited since it was still made by fallible humans after all. So to tie it back to evolution some other opposing force would just evolve to equal it out.

    G has the advantage of billions of dollars for research etc. at their disposal but the rest of the world is hungry for a piece of the pie so they make up for it in motivation and ambition to bring the next xrumers etc.

    Thoughts?

    I was thinking how IM is kind of like the gold rushes of the old west since it has that kind of frontier aspect about it just in a different setting.
     
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    They would need to reconstruct their entire search engine, and ranking algorithms if they were to do that, and I'm sure in many of cases it would result in websites being slapped unintentionally due to false positives, negative feed back from 80% of the SEO industry, and Google stocks would begin to plummet and people would stop using it. It won't happen for just that reason. And if it does, it will be awhile until we see any real changes. People are already unhappy with the changes Google has been making as of late, imagine if it was redefined completely?! You'd see a substantial decline in people using the service.

    Remember, SEO has been around since before Google. Google isn't going to reinvent the wheel completely.
     
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    This might be their first priority: to clean their search engine from the stuff we create, but it's not that easy for them to do that with an algorithm. Speaking of evolution and biology, beings who can adapt to the environment and be flexible, are the ones that survive. As the algorithm changes, obviously we have to adapt in order to stay in this game.
    That's what I'm thinking too about the Internet; as long as the Internet is still free, even though there are some entities that are trying to control it, the IM is still like in the Old West, and BH IM-ers are still like the Old snake oil "marketer". I don't like the comparison, but like I said, everyone has to do something to survive.
     
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    From Google engineer Amit Singhal on page 2 of this article:

    "There is absolutely no algorithm out there which, when published, would not be gamed."

    It is certainly true that some black hat techniques that are powerful now may not be as powerful in the future but I'm not too worried.
     
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  5. Ranko Jones

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    Kind of reassuring to know this stuff.

    See I am starting to know more about the IM techniques but I still don't know too much about big G and how He/She works or moreso how much they can do about enforcing our naughtiness :D.
     
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    Old west huh? I like that.

    There will always be blackhat. Where there is a profitable system, people will exploit it.
     
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    As long as backlinks improve serps, blackhat will exist. If Google decides to remove backlinking as a factor to improve serps, 99 % of blackhat is dead.

    But they can't do that so...
     
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    Great information and a lot to think about.
     
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    Impossible,if such an algo was created innocent sites could easily be demonished and the serps would be a disaster.
    Think about it around maybe .001% of people know what blackhat is!!
    Google cannot beat blackhat but it can increase it's footprint awareness.
    If you use the likes of SEnuke ALWAYS use bookmarking sites not in SEnuke.
    It's all commonsense but some people just point and click and wonder why they get canned by google.

    I'm glad scrapebox has alot of uses,it's still a tool of choice but needs far more thought than it previously did but it is a MUST HAVE tool.
     
  10. Ranko Jones

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    I think that's a rather narrow and incomplete definition of blackhat.

    If backlinks became obsolete, like guy above says, we would evolve to find the next way to manipulate the new algorithm.

    I spose it's a case of wherever a good guy exist there always must be a badguy of equal power to keep him on his toes :).
     
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    You know how SEO is a tough job to fill because the foundations of SEO are changing constantly? There is not a lot of consitency with it making it a headache to most business' and something they may never understand.

    thats like BH techniques only more so. The wheel is constantly being reinvented in this game.

    I remember when it was pretty much ONLY email marketing and then Blackhatting it to the point of creating "spam kings". Now we have video videos, articles, xrumer, scrapebox, and a host of other vessels that all have their own BH twists and come from the advances that "mainstream" internet vessels have achieved.

    Thats what makes the internet so damn powerful. truly unlimited potential. The bigger the internet gets the more ways to manipulate it.
     
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    SEO is a great challenge. You need to continue finding ways to beat Google.
     
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    Every code written or an algorithm developed by the G ... engineers can be broken down and can be circumvented because each code is written and only invented by human mind.
    With the help of some people whose lives only with a powerful machine called a computer we have nothing to fear. They will always find a way to break the code on one way or another, and outwit the big players.
     
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    In terms of Google I doubt if they'll make stamping out black hat style SEO a major priority as it makes up a tiny proportion of the genuine info that is out there on the web. Being insiders tends to give us a distorted view of our importance in the scheme of things. But the day when I google for a recipe for bolognese sauce and get a squeeze page at the top of the search is a very long way off ;) I hope...
     
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    I'm still amazed every time I used scrapebox how someone came up with such a genius tool :D and also sold it so cheap.

    Good point above. Was gonna give thanks but it didn't give me the option of the thanks button for you, oh well.

    Also following what guy above says about most not wanting the hassle to learn the IM game. I think that's what makes this thing potentially so super profitable for the foreseeable future cos huge businesses want SEO, EVERYONE wants SEO but it is only the crafty/smart/or just lucky rich whitehatter (who outsource everything to BHers :)) -or maybe well connected etc. few who can get their SEO skills up.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is SEO kings are the new superpowers of the world. Did I go too far?

    Too bad I am not earning a dime yet lol!
     
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    Couldn't they just give no weight to backlinks from forum profiles and blog comments? Using Wordpress and other blog engines footprints they could easily find a way to discount links in the comments section.
     
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    How badly would the Internet world be screwed up if Google stopped counting blog comments and profile links as genuine link power altogether.... not much. Think about that. How many truly good sites use these two methods to build links? Directories will probably still always have some power since it's what most whitehats do.

    Guest blogging is where it's at IMO.
     
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    Even if they found a way to reconstruct the algorithm, I'm sure people will find loopholes and and find new BH methods to abuse that.
     
  19. Ranko Jones

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    Like other guy said before if if they could construct an algorithm to do so as BHers make up such a small pool of the overall ocean we are not worth their time.

    Maybe like belly button lint or the thousands/millions(?) of other bacteria on the human body something :D. I'm not gonna belabor that analogy but you get the idea.

    Lol the nice romantic idea of Bhers as pioneers has taken a bit of a 180 with the belly button lint thing, heh. Let's stick with frontiers of cyberspace in common talk :).
     
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    No, there is now way. NEVER! :D