Copyright strikes affect channel performance

YoutubeScientist said:
yes in some channels no matter what the channel still does not recover. if you do not see results for long, it maybe better to move on from the channel.
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This is really hard for me. But I believe my channel will recover because I'm having views from browse feature, search, play list, subscription feed but not from suggestions, not getting up next views anymore. And 95%+ of the viewers are just my subscribers and 85% of the views are from browse feature so I believe it will recover. Do you think YouTube live chat agents can help me recover if I contact them?
 
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Kolad said:
This is really hard for me. But I believe my channel will recover because I'm having views from browse feature, search, play list, subscription feed but not from suggestions, not getting up next views anymore. And 95%+ of the viewers are just my subscribers and 85% of the views are from browse feature so I believe it will recover. Do you think YouTube live chat agents can help me recover if I contact them?
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No lol YouTube Live Chat is the most useless thing that exists on this planet, I'm not sure why they even have it as an option. They will tell you everything is running as it should and to keep posting more videos.
 
Dresden said:
No lol YouTube Live Chat is the most useless thing that exists on this planet, I'm not sure why they even have it as an option. They will tell you everything is running as it should and to keep posting more videos.
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Yes, I think YouTube live support is just useless because they can't help with anything, they only direct you to articles
20kSuccessStory said:
Actually getting out of of that limitation is really hard. I saw that on very big channels as well.
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I think I may not go out of this
 
Kolad said:
OK thank you.

I don't know if the shadow ban detector result is accurate but all other results it gives me are all accurate so I will just believe the tool
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It's not great, I put in a lot of my demonetized videos and it says that the videos are monetized when they are not.
 
From my experience, I remove every single video that got me the copyright strike, dont paste anything for 3-6 months then its good to go after but again YMMV
 
Dresden said:
It's not great, I put in a lot of my demonetized videos and it says that the videos are monetized when they are not.
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It says 1 of my channels I put is shadow ban, meanwhile it's still getting views from all sources and no sign of shadow ban

kalakbvn said:
From my experience, I remove every single video that got me the copyright strike, dont paste anything for 3-6 months then its good to go after but again YMMV
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OK, many people and you advice me to stop posting for some months. I will follow that.. Thank you
 
Bro, trust me, the last thing you want is a strike in a competitive niche. once you get a copyright stike, your channel is more or less finshed along with any channel created on that email. it happened to me, i got a strike and within a month, my views were slowly being killed off, now, my channel is dead with 300k subs. youtube will swear that there is nothing wrong with your channel. but trust me, you have been shadow banned. best thing to do is make a new channel with using a new ip address and connect it to a different IP address. YouTube are evil.
 
YoutubeScientist said:
you have 2 options:

1. wait 3 to 4 months approximately for the cooldown until the strike expires. your performance will be affected until then. once the cooldown duration is done, you should slowly see your performance get back to normal. The best thing to do is to "rest" your channel during this period and don't perform any activity.

2. work with a completely new channel or buy another channel that is already in the algorithm pulling views and unaffected.

but note that in some cases some channels may suffer for very long periods after this punishment. in fact i've had some channels that i had do abandon fully and sell them, since they didn't recover even after a year or 2 of uploading content.
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let me ask you a question, when making a new account, do you connect it to the old Adsense? or is that Adsense also black listed after a strike?
 
Ahahaha, you need more channels if you operate on bannable strategies. It's built into the copyright abuse business. Plan longer term instead of trying to get money from a single property. Deploy more units.

Get rid of assumptions that make you do what you do. You're doing something wrong and acknowledge that.
 
Kolad said:
OK, many people and you advice me to stop posting for some months. I will follow that.. Thank you
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how is it looking now?

reaaski said:
Ahahaha, you need more channels if you operate on bannable strategies. It's built into the copyright abuse business. Plan longer term instead of trying to get money from a single property. Deploy more units.

Get rid of assumptions that make you do what you do. You're doing something wrong and acknowledge that.
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not really, there are companies who do not know how fair use work and they just dish out strikes, how do i know this? i got 77 strikes from one company, 77!! my channel was at risk of ebing terminated but i contacted a copyright lawyer who graduated from harvard, and they told me that i have a case, i did a counter notification for all 77 and the company didn't reply to me. so all the videos got reinstated.
 
JaeyJ said:
not really, there are companies who do not know how fair use work and they just dish out strikes, how do i know this? i got 77 strikes from one company, 77!! my channel was at risk of ebing terminated but i contacted a copyright lawyer who graduated from harvard, and they told me that i have a case, i did a counter notification for all 77 and the company didn't reply to me. so all the videos got reinstated.
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Nothing in this pesky digital 1s and 0s world is true. It's fake world ruled by stupid AI algorithms and moderators only enter when you have certain cases. You cannot ride someone's trademarks like I do and not get banned. If you use stock videos from public platforms, just use attribution and if you get strikes, appeal.
 
Kolad said:
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Before getting copyright strike in June, I used to have 20k views on average video, but after getting copyright strike all my new videos are now being suggested to only my subscribers, 90%+ of my views are my subscribers. I'm only getting views through browse features, I'm getting little to nothing from search and suggestions which wasn't like this before. Never get more than 1.3k views since the copyright strikes. This video is meant to have atleast 50k views if it was before. Looks like my channel is now shadow ban. I have 2 copyright strikes, can you guys recommend how I can get out of this or any one experienced the same before?
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You will probably have the same reach as before in a few months time. Shadowbans don't last long.
 
Nikolaos said:
You will probably have the same reach as before in a few months time. Shadowbans don't last long.
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Shadowban is a myth and is a wrong conclusion. There's no such thing. It's not a ban in fact. It's just your posts having decreased chances of being recommended. But why would anyone be so naive to take world of database rows seriously? That's straight madness.

Why then recommendations are decreased? Because parameters change all the time. And if you get copyright strikes, a lot of parameters change and your content is most likely so bad that a response of a deep learning algorithm is not good.

A vision based deep learning can do reassesment of overall channel quality. I got strikes and got exactly the same ranges / recommendations as before getting them. In my calculations it's pure illusion

Shadowban is a term coined by TikTok girls trying to explain complex systems in overly simplistic ways to not break down when they don't get views and dopamine hits from next "viral vids".

There's no such concept as shadowban used by any large entity, maybe beyond some certain immature people like Elon Musk. But that term doesn't exist as a true or false variable in systems. It'd be an effect of multiple parameters if anything.
 
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reaaski said:
Shadowban is a myth and is a wrong conclusion. There's no such thing. It's not a ban in fact. It's just your posts having decreased chances of being recommended. But why would anyone be so naive to take world of database rows seriously? That's straight madness.

Why then recommendations are decreased? Because parameters change all the time. And if you get copyright strikes, a lot of parameters change and your content is most likely so bad that a response of a deep learning algorithm is not good.

A vision based deep learning can do reassesment of overall channel quality. I got strikes and got exactly the same ranges / recommendations as before getting them. In my calculations it's pure illusion

Shadowban is a term coined by TikTok girls trying to explain complex systems in overly simplistic ways to not break down when they don't get views and dopamine hits from next "viral vids".

There's no such concept as shadowban used by any large entity, maybe beyond some certain immature people like Elon Musk. But that term doesn't exist as a true or false variable in systems. It'd be an effect of multiple parameters if anything.
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That's your experience, doesn't mean it i ubiquitous. it also depends on how much competition there is, if lets say you are reviewing a movie, and other channels who have a clean channel upload a review for the same movie, they will get the push and you will not regardless of how amazing your videos are.

trust me, i know, shadowban is 100% real. i had two channels under one email, one was english, and the other was translating my content to a different language. both were doing amazing. the moment i got a strike for one channel, both channels followed the exact sam pattern, i went fro 300-1000 comments about 50, and my reach was so terrible. it used to say "this video is appealing to a smaller audience than usual" yet others in my niche will post a video of the exact same topic and get all the views, when prior to that, it was me.

And not only that, people will steal my title and thumbnails, and some will even steal my script, and get more views.

I knew 100% getting a strike negatively affects your channel because those who stole my scripts, after i warned them not to do it and they persisted, i gave them a strike, and their channels completely died off.
 
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Nikolaos said:
You will probably have the same reach as before in a few months time. Shadowbans don't last long.
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Yes I believe that, my community posts now reaching more people but my videos aren't, so I think this is a positive sign that things will be back to normal.
reaaski said:
Shadowban is a myth and is a wrong conclusion. There's no such thing. It's not a ban in fact. It's just your posts having decreased chances of being recommended. But why would anyone be so naive to take world of database rows seriously? That's straight madness.

Why then recommendations are decreased? Because parameters change all the time. And if you get copyright strikes, a lot of parameters change and your content is most likely so bad that a response of a deep learning algorithm is not good.

A vision based deep learning can do reassesment of overall channel quality. I got strikes and got exactly the same ranges / recommendations as before getting them. In my calculations it's pure illusion

Shadowban is a term coined by TikTok girls trying to explain complex systems in overly simplistic ways to not break down when they don't get views and dopamine hits from next "viral vids".

There's no such concept as shadowban used by any large entity, maybe beyond some certain immature people like Elon Musk. But that term doesn't exist as a true or false variable in systems. It'd be an effect of multiple parameters if anything.
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Don't confuse yourself bro, shadow ban is real, because it hasn't happened to you before doesn't mean it's invalid. 1 of my channels was also shadow ban, no matter what I posted, it won't reach upto 100 people, but after 3months it's back to normal even though I'm still posting same type of content and I mostly use same title cuz of my niche
JaeyJ said:
That's your experience, doesn't mean it i ubiquitous. it also depends on how much competition there is, if lets say you are reviewing a movie, and other channels who have a clean channel upload a review for the same movie, they will get the push and you will not regardless of how amazing your videos are.

trust me, i know, shadowban is 100% real. i had two channels under one email, one was english, and the other was translating my content to a different language. both were doing amazing. the moment i got a strike for one channel, both channels followed the exact sam pattern, i went fro 300-1000 comments about 50, and my reach was so terrible. it used to say "this video is appealing to a smaller audience than usual" yet others in my niche will post a video of the exact same topic and get all the views, when prior to that, it was me.

And not only that, people will steal my title and thumbnails, and some will even steal my script, and get more views.

I knew 100% getting a strike negatively affects your channel because those who stole my scripts, after i warned them not to do it and they persisted, i gave them a strike, and their channels completely died off.
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Yes for sure, shadow ban is completely real just that YouTube hide it from us but some platform like Facebook don't hide it. Facebook will send you notifications when you post what is against there platform, they will tell you that your reach will be reduced and it's almost same as YouTube shadow ban, because you won't be getting suggested to other people apart from your followers
 
Kolad said:
Don't confuse yourself bro, shadow ban is real, because it hasn't happened to you before doesn't mean it's invalid. 1 of my channels was also shadow ban, no matter what I posted, it won't reach upto 100 people, but after 3months it's back to normal even though I'm still posting same type of content and I mostly use same title cuz of my niche
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You're creating an illusion of being shadowbanned by unskillfully doing the same stuff over and over again.

If you give the same inputs to YouTube or any deep learning system that has anti-spam mechanisms and near-duplicates detections, you'll have an impression that the system shadow-bans you.

It's not true though. You're just writing repetitive titles and repetitive content which is the core reason situations like that happen.

Here's how you can write titles, so they never look the same:

[kw_a] [kw_b] [kw_c]
[kw_a] [kw_b] - [kw_c]
[kw_a]: [kw_b] [kw_c]
[kw_a] [kw_b]: [kw_c] [kw_d]
[kw_a] & [kw_b] [kw_c]
[kw_a], [kw_b], [kw_c]
[kw_a] + [kw_b] + [kw_c]
[kw_a] / [kw_b] [kw_c]

Substitute kw_a, kw_b, kw_c for random short tail and long tail keywords. Add related words too that describe type of content like "Tutorial", "Revelation". Introduce some clickbait.

Use 1000s of different keywords.

Same thing can be described in 1000s of different ways. Read about permutations.
Same is true for all other parameters.

What deep learning can see? Some examples.

Content params
- natural or synthetic

Scene / vision params
- place
- objects
- game / movie shown in the scene / video
- things performed
- people
- time
- motion
- speed

If you're in different places, doing the same thing, it's not fully fresh. If you're in a different place doing a different thing, it's fresher, but there are 100+ details than can change also.

Structure params
- length
- number of parts / scenes
 
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reaaski said:
Shadowban is a myth and is a wrong conclusion. There's no such thing. It's not a ban in fact. It's just your posts having decreased chances of being recommended. But why would anyone be so naive to take world of database rows seriously? That's straight madness.

Why then recommendations are decreased? Because parameters change all the time. And if you get copyright strikes, a lot of parameters change and your content is most likely so bad that a response of a deep learning algorithm is not good.

A vision based deep learning can do reassesment of overall channel quality. I got strikes and got exactly the same ranges / recommendations as before getting them. In my calculations it's pure illusion

Shadowban is a term coined by TikTok girls trying to explain complex systems in overly simplistic ways to not break down when they don't get views and dopamine hits from next "viral vids".

There's no such concept as shadowban used by any large entity, maybe beyond some certain immature people like Elon Musk. But that term doesn't exist as a true or false variable in systems. It'd be an effect of multiple parameters if anything
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Kolad said:
Yes I believe that, my community posts now reaching more people but my videos aren't, so I think this is a positive sign that things will be back to normal.

Don't confuse yourself bro, shadow ban is real, because it hasn't happened to you before doesn't mean it's invalid. 1 of my channels was also shadow ban, no matter what I posted, it won't reach upto 100 people, but after 3months it's back to normal even though I'm still posting same type of content and I mostly use same title cuz of my niche

Yes for sure, shadow ban is completely real just that YouTube hide it from us but some platform like Facebook don't hide it. Facebook will send you notifications when you post what is against there platform, they will tell you that your reach will be reduced and it's almost same as YouTube shadow ban, because you won't be getting suggested to other people apart from your followers
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was your second channel connected by email to your channel that got a strike? also, do you use the same Adsense for all of your channels?
 
JaeyJ said:
was your second channel connected by email to your channel that got a strike? also, do you use the same Adsense for all of your channels?
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Nope, all my channels have different email and different adsense
reaaski said:
You're creating an illusion of being shadowbanned by unskillfully doing the same stuff over and over again.

If you give the same inputs to YouTube or any deep learning system that has anti-spam mechanisms and near-duplicates detections, you'll have an impression that the system shadow-bans you.

It's not true though. You're just writing repetitive titles and repetitive content which is the core reason situations like that happen.

Here's how you can write titles, so they never look the same:

[kw_a] [kw_b] [kw_c]
[kw_a] [kw_b] - [kw_c]
[kw_a]: [kw_b] [kw_c]
[kw_a] [kw_b]: [kw_c] [kw_d]
[kw_a] & [kw_b] [kw_c]
[kw_a], [kw_b], [kw_c]
[kw_a] + [kw_b] + [kw_c]
[kw_a] / [kw_b] [kw_c]

Substitute kw_a, kw_b, kw_c for random short tail and long tail keywords. Add related words too that describe type of content like "Tutorial", "Revelation". Introduce some clickbait.

Use 1000s of different keywords.

Same thing can be described in 1000s of different ways. Read about permutations.
Same is true for all other parameters.

What deep learning can see? Some examples.

Content params
- natural or synthetic

Scene / vision params
- place
- objects
- game / movie shown in the scene / video
- things performed
- people
- time
- motion
- speed

If you're in different places, doing the same thing, it's not fully fresh. If you're in a different place doing a different thing, it's fresher, but there are 100+ details than can change also.

Structure params
- length
- number of parts / scenes
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Title isn't exactly the same but same structure not like they have completely same words, and title isn't the problem. Shadow ban is 100% real. You won't believe it until it happens to you. Just like If you are enjoying good days all the time you won't know there are bad days
 
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