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Copyright content = bird song?! WTF!!

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by tb303, Dec 30, 2016.

  1. tb303

    tb303 Senior Member

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    Ive had a copyright claim on a video from Kontor New Media Music on one of my videos which I thought was odd.

    When I listen to the section they identified its just birds singing in the background! So I used their editor and removed the "song" as they suggest which took out a minute. Almost straight away got another claim from the same people. Looks like they are claiming copyright on the video anytime someone isnt speaking and you hear birds in the background.

    Now I know this is automatic but Im wondering what my best move is? Every time in the past when ive had a claim on a video its been a fair cop so not bothered.

    I was going to monetize it and its started getting views nicely straight off the bat.

    So whats my chances of them lifting this claim on the video if I file a dispute? (I believe the earnings will be held while this is ongoing).

    My gut feeling says they will just strike the video and have it took down which is a pain after all the seo etc its had :(

    Oh and ive tried to find the song they claim its from and found a small clip which is some wierd gong music with birds - personally doesnt sound the same to me but its only a small clip.

    Looking for some input from someone with more experience on this pleaase...
     
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    Dispute the content id claim, Thats what i do.. Once in a while i get a claim, most of them are false automated reactions on a small part of music used in my vid.

    Dispute the content id claim! sent them a mail back and explain them what the differences are between yours en theirs.
    If your sound is really different from theirs then they have no case. My experience is that most of the times when you dispute the claim there will be no answer from
    the claimers, and they let run the 30 day period till its end and the claim gets removed.

    My thought is that there are a lot of media companies that claim what they can, even if the sound doesn't hear the same or is totally different.
    they do this to gather the monetization rights from channels that don't reply on content claims because they are afraid to loose their channel...
    They know that they are in this position and use it to the fullest..
     
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    Smh. This is why we can't have nice things.

     
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    That depends on what are "nice things" as there is a lot possible if you dare to dispute..

     
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    Most people won't. They'll get scared and do whatever the company asks bc omg huge company. That's what I mean.
     
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    Your right! Its a shame.. company's like this steal your money because their position in the market.

     
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  7. tb303

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    Well I disputed the claim in the end as I found loads of tales online of Kontor New Media Music being shady. At least the money gets held until 'settled' that way.

    As they slapped their own adsense over the video and countless others it makes me wonder how vulnerable are they to click bombing...if you knew what videos were monetized by them?
     
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    But if you prepare before you upload to YouTube, and get yourself the knowledge of what your going to upload to YouTube like;
    knowledge of the soundtrack, were its from, who made it, is it free of copyrights etc. than it's a lot easier to dispute the claim.. And if you know your right, doable also..

    If the soundtrack is yours, than it's yours.. Don't let the media company's fool you with their claim, Dispute it with you information about the soundtrack!.

    If you want to upload your self made music/meditation/whatever track; I use routenote, where i upload my track, publish/monetize it on spotify etc and after that i use it for my YouTube channel.
    It makes it even easier for me to dispute on YouTube...
     
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    click bombing, does it affect them? or does it affect the channel owners that are in the same position as you?


     
  10. tb303

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    no idea really. its their adsense, but if i did it to my own channel google would probably terminate the channel as well. If the vid is on a big channel who knows what would happen. Either way its shit for the people using adwords so bad idea...moving on :)
     
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    But good you disputed their claim! They wil drop it, or they don't react and YouTube drops it after 30 days.
    If monetized, the video will stay monetized and the earnings will go to the rightful owner after the dispute is settled.
     
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    It is probably the Audubon Society that has the copyright.

    I'm sure if you make a donation to them they will allow the bird songs in the video.
     
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  13. tb303

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    Or it could be the RSPB so where does it all end. Maybe I should just film it again but this time shoot all the fucking birds first.
     
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    They own a recording of that particular bird! They don't have rights on the bird itself... Prove them that you recorded that bird, and that it is a different recording and they must drop the claim..
    Nobody owns bird sounds, they own recordings of it, You can own recordings of it..
     
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    Just had a play around with the editor on youtube to try and swap the audio theyre complaining about but apparently that broken. Wait out the 30 days it is then.
     
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    You better leave it as is, Altering the sound gives them credit! I think its "broken" because the subject has a claim and a dispuut on it.
    YouTube blocked altering until the claim is settled.

     
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    Lmfao