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Consequences of Black-hatting

Discussion in 'CPA' started by billbobi, Apr 20, 2010.

  1. billbobi

    billbobi Regular Member

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    I am just starting up in the CPA world and wanted to know the consequences of getting caught black-hatting? (i.e. cpa redirector , godcpa) I have read a lot of the cpa + advertisers will recoup all the money they paid you. Is this true? Also can you get a criminal warning?
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  2. ForeverNever

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    depends what you do obviously.

    there is a lot of discussion about this, but it all boils down to what you actually did.
     
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  3. billbobi

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    I have not done anything yet, have plans to do somthing which will use the cpa redirector. I am more concerned about the criminal warning part - do you know of any cases? Thx
     
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    7878 Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Blanking your referrers isn't illegal. Possibly against the network's TOS, but not illegal.

    As far as GodCPA goes, there's a white hat way, a blackhat way, and a fraud way to use that. It's all up to you which way you decide to go.
     
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    BlackHat is not illegal but if your CPA network find out what you are doing, they will take back all the money you made, easy.
     
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    I was asked for some clarification on what I meant by "white hat" when referring to GodCPA, so I'll post it out here for anyone who might be unclear about this.

    Some advertisers allow publishers to frame their offers, as long as the T&C is still clearly displayed. So it's fairly simple, if the advertisers and network allow it, it's WH.

    Fraud would be cropping the T&C and presenting the form/offer as something entirely different than what it actually is. Pretty straight forward. :)
     
  7. Deviance

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    Breaking the T.O.S. =/= Legal.

    Worst thing that can happen is that you'll get banned from a CPA network, don't sweat it.
     
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    pretty hard for them to come after you, banned and thats it, if you make 100k a month using bh than they might do an effort and try to find you
     
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  9. billbobi

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    what would be the approximate amount per $month before the Affiliate manager starts questioning you?
     
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    DA CONSEQUENCES R MAKIN MAD MONEY YO

    No seriously, just you asking so much about this kinda tells me that maybe uh, well, you know. All CPA's are gonna have rules, but here's the thing - you've got to send them leads that convert, to get paid. If those leads convert and do well, what's really going to be the problem? All blackhat is is getting creative about how you get the numbers of eyeballs to the product needed to make sales.

    There is no "approximate" amount per month before AM's question you. AM's want you to get that money too. What you want to do is have your ducks in a row about where your sales are coming from before you get asked. Whether that is the whole truth or not is a non-issue as long as you're bringing decent traffic, good sales and no complaints. They're not gonna ask for your full method cause that would be retarded.

    Basically you have to make them money too. You'll want to keep your ear to the ground about what's going on generally so you are informed about different CPA's, niches etc. I mean there's things that kinda break these rules like EPN, which can get you into a SHITLOAD of trouble, but if you think about it, you're not making them money, i.e., bringing them a customer they wouldn't have had otherwise, you're piggybacking someone that would have ended up there anyway and shearing EPN.

    Bring sales and no complaints and no one's gonna give a damn. Don't worry so much. I don't think we're as bad around here as you might be thinking. No one here is up for going to jail.
     
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  11. billbobi

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    Thanks SingingSleep - i know my leads will convert but just wanted to cover my back if the AM asks questions. Would they ever ask to see my cpanel?
     
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    From my experience they don't ask shit. They ban you without any warning and that's it :). You will find out that you are banned when you login in your affiliate account. As for legal action do not worry about it. I have made more than 10k in one month using some prety shady methods ( they never paid me that money :) ). As already been said if nobody complains about you they will pay you. But don't worry about it so much if you are doing blackhat and NOT fraud. Fraud is a whole different thing. Give it a try, the most you can lose is your time and your affiliate account.
     
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    problems might arise if you manage to get like 10k with a really shady method and still GET paid and afterwords they find that out and maybe come after you (?) but ain't sure about that though
     
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    JAIL!!!!
    Don't Get CAUGHT!
    LoL​
     
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    Just dont be too obvious with whatever is it you planned on doing, if its blackhat.
     
  16. billbobi

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    Thanks for everyones comments - it is much appreciated. Haxorzspain- so is $10k per month the rule of thumb?
     
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    There is no rule of thumb, it comes down to the campaigns your involved in and how good at BSing your AM about your traffic sources are.

    If they think you are bringing them in 50-100k a months worth of good traffic and your not being complained about they will suck you off through a straw even if you are actually using blackhat to generate the traffic.

    They would rather not know, they also (most the time) wont bother chasing you around, if they complaints about you or things seem dodgy they will just shut you down and move on (most the time).
     
  18. billbobi

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    Thanks for all the comments everyone. It is much appreciated!

    Alwaysbeclosing - if you are looking to incentivize traffic and they fill out the survey, will the emailing team ever ask them where they saw the survey? obviously i do not want the AM to know how i made them fill out the form. i know i maybe being a bit cautious, but would like to know.
     
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    Things have changed in the latest months, and will change in the next ones.

    FTC has huge power now, read this article:

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    http://adage.com/article?article_id=143439
    Particularly interesting part is:
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    Currently, companies previously found to have run 
    deceptive ads are subject to fines of up to $16,600 per viewer.* 
    Under the proposed provision in the House version of the bill, 
    the FTC would also be able to fine agencies that did the 
    work and, ostensibly, media outlets that broadcast 
    or display the ad. 
    If you run deceptive ads and your network caught you, yesterday you did lose your money, today you are sued and your network too.
     
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  20. billbobi

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    Thanks noph34r - i think this applies to people using godcpa. If you are incentivizing traffic, you are not being deceptive the user still knows what he is filling out.

    I believe the new provision relates to the actual ad, another example could be the mobile phone cpa's which are deceptive - having the high weekly cost in small font.