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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by fb3003, May 29, 2016.

  1. fb3003

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    Over the last 2 years, I have read that you should not spam your money site and google ONLY likes quality backlinks to your money site.

    Now, I have noticed that my competitors have moved up on their ranking than me, and based on ahref website, they have suddenly got 20,000 plus backlinks in few days, which is all spam.

    So which is it?! Does google does not go by what it preaches or having more backlink means a higher ranking, even though they are from spam website.

    thanks in advance
     
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  2. BlogPro

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    Spam links are still links and will still give you a boost.

    However, it is only until Google catches up, which is pretty fast.

    SERP updates happen on a continuous basis and in real time these days, unlike back in the day when animal updates took place.
     
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    are you sure its money site ? Its really depends on you , if its me and keyword can bring $$$ a day i will spam my site to get #1
     
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  4. fb3003

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    Thanks for reply. Not sure about your question. Both competitors had few hundred backlinks. One went to 27,000 plus and the other to 40,000 plus, each in a week or so.

    the site is our business site, so are the competitor websites. So yes, they are money sites.
     
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  5. GreyWolf

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    The problem lies in the odds. It's always a big gamble. By making a bunch of spam links the chances of getting a penalty is increased. It's always possible that if you blast out a lot of spammy backlinks the SE algorithms will accept them all as a reasonable link profile, but there's also a very good chance that it won't. In that case then the spam might cause damage which you don't want happening to your money site.

    So basically its a gamble, where the odds are fairly high that spammy backlinks might cause damage to your site. With those kind of odds it just isn't worth it to risk a site you've actually invested a lot of time. money. and/or effort into. So instead you need to have some buffer sites between the spam and your money site.

    Now if it was always an absolute guarantee that blasting out spammy backlinks would 100% damage a site, then basically no one would do it at all even to lower tier sites. But there is still a chance that the backlinks can provide additional juice, and especially if they are spread out pointing to multiple secondary or web2.0 sites. If a good percentage of those other sites don't get penalized then they will still pass the link juice on to your money site making the whole process worthwhile. On the other hand if any of them DO get penalized, then it is less likely for that penalty to be passed on to the money site. So in this way you can minimize the risk of damaging your money site.

    The competetor you mentioned is an example of how the odds can some times work out ok. They added a shitload of spammy backlinks for their money site and they seem to have helped the site's position in the SERP. This might be a long term effect, or it could just be a short term effect before it drops further back. The thing is that you can never know for sure which way it will work out, so it usually isn't worth the risk to do it directly to your money site.

    So it's just a matter of playing the odds. If you make a bunch of spammy backlinks to your money site then there is a chance it might be damaged, so if you can have different buffer sites for blasting the links to then you have somewhat insulated the money site from the backlinks that get penalized, while still getting the advantage from all the ones that aren't. I hope I didn't make that too confusing, although I do notice that I managed to end every paragraph with your money site.
    :)
     
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  6. mickyfu

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    Are the backlinks from a 301 direct? How many 301's do they have?
     
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    Spam links work till Google find it and then the massacre starts. So either wait for their massacre or start spamming and you can be party to it.
     
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    Your taking a big risk by spamming your money site directly. You should build some tier 1 links and spam those to be safer.
     
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    I think this is the best answer you can find on internet. Links or backlinks are a lottery, Google Robot and all SERPS are constantly looking for information on all the internet. They're like cops looking for bad guys, but not always bad guys finaly falls.

    The best is making good links because are quality links, if you are in the second position and they are in the first, Don't worry, may the next month you'll be in the first and them will be deleted from SERPS.
     
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    I took some big risks by spamming one of my main money sites for the past five years and 301'ing everytime and spamming it again.

    By main money site, I mean it makes most my money, not my biggest sites.
     
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    Or alternatively, the site you put all your love in, could also get hit.
     
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  12. fb3003

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    thanks for the reply. assume google never penalized you?!
     
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    Then that's a gamble you have to be willing to risk. Either you go for short-term quick growth and risk getting penalized, or you opt for organic growth over time. You should protect your money site at all costs.
     
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  14. mickyfu

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    Yeah course they did. Did not explain it to well. Everytime they penalised the
    So five years+ is short term for growing a burner that constantly made more and more money each year?
     
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    I guess that's the point. In the particular case you're talking about you're able to deal with the penalties and still make money with the site. It's still a gamble that you're taking, but you understand the risks and the gamble has been paying off for you.

    But you say it yourself... you've "been growing a burner". No matter how much money you've made with this site, you've understood from the start that its just a burner site for you to make as much money from for as long as you can, but when or if it ever finally crashes and burns, you won't be overly depressed about losing the website. You might be bummed about the loss of income, but you'll just start up another burner site and try to replicate what you did before.

    When people talk about not spamming their money site they are actually talking about a website that actually matters. Things like an actual company's branded website, a freelancer's personal page, an ecommerce site, etc. Basically any long term website project in which the ongoing longevity of the website itself is actually important to the owner... that is normally what people are talking about when they use the term "money site". At least that's normally what is meant in the context of what the OP was asking about.

    So as an actual "money maker" your "burner site" might be making much more money than someone else's "money site". But the reason is that since you really don't care about the burner site, you're willing to make gambles that would be too risky if you actually cared about the website itself. But just because you can potentially make a lot of money doing that with a burner site, doesn't mean you should recommend the same course of action for someone trying to promote an actual business website.
     
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    spam links are also links - its good as long as google doesn't find it spam. and a site is affected not just by spam links, there must be a lot of considerations by Google.

    I have seen lots of friends made ranked sites with bunch of back links - but one thing is assured, you cant always win in this case, you would be caught one day for sure, that may be a rank drop or a serious penalty that depends on your other back links.

    doesn't matter how well you do your job, its about how smart you do. spamming is just another way to rank, thats it. As GregWolf said, after all its just like gambling lol.
     
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    Happy truth. ;) Spamming all the way to the bank.
     
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    Spamming may help you - but not all the times. It will definitely kill your site one day, but making as much $$$ as possible before site is dead is our talent.. :) Hope you understand what I mean.

     
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    Well with the easier way there's always increased risk. LQ spam links may give you results fast, but in the long-run are much riskier.
     
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    That is exactly it. There is no doubt about the fact that spamming can be very productive for some methods of making money or generating traffic. But that doesn't mean it is the right solution in all cases.

    It's like some of the people answering in this thread have no interest in helping the OP at all and prefer instead to just add to his confusion.

    For blackhat purposes there are many situations in which spamming the hell out of something might be your best bet. But that is only really a good idea if the website you're using is a thowaway or burner site. In some cases, depending on the legality of the type of spam being discussed, it might only be a good idea if the burner site is in no way for the site to be identifiable as associated to you or your business personally. In those type of situations then all the posters who are proclaiming "how wonderful spam is" are probably right. But that logic doesn't apply to the question the OP was asking.

    By continuing to post in this thread as if their churn and burn logic applies to all websites, it just creates confusion for people like the OP, who are possibly working on actual business websites or other personally identifiable projects.
     
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