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Competition cannot be hurt in serps

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by antx16, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. antx16

    antx16 Power Member

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    This is the google webmaster guidelines, so for those that keep posting how can i hurt a competitor , its time to stop dreaming

    Our goal is to return highly relevant results for every query. Search results are returned from our search index. Our search index is constantly evolving as content is added and modified on the web. The changing content, as well as updates to our ranking algorithms, can cause URLs to change position in search results, and possibly, though less likely, be removed.

    There's almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index. If you're concerned about another site linking to yours, we suggest contacting the webmaster of the site in question. Google aggregates and organizes information published on the web; we don't control the content of these pages.

    Occasionally, fluctuation in search results is the result of differences in our data centers. When you perform a Google search, your query is sent to a Google data center in order to retrieve search results. There are numerous data centers, and many factors (such as geographic location and search traffic) determine where a query is sent. Because not all of our data centers are updated simultaneously, it's possible to see slightly different search results depending on which data center handles your query.

    We understand that these changes can be confusing. If your site is well-linked from others on the web, it's likely that we'll add it again during our next crawl. While we can't guarantee that any page will consistently appear in our index or appear with a particular rank, our Webmaster Guidelines offer helpful tips for maintaining a crawler-friendly site. Following these recommendations should increase the likelihood that your site will show up consistently in our search results.
     
  2. scriptkiddy

    scriptkiddy Junior Member

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    Almost nothing? hmmm.

    Do no Evil = Do no Good.
     
  3. ugorrogu

    ugorrogu Registered Member

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    To me this seems silly. If you can hurt your rankings then you should be able to hurt the competitors. How would Google know who is trying to optimized the site, the owner or the competitor?

    ugorrogu
     
  4. secretboy08

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    you definitely can hurt your competitors in google.
    been there.experienced that and also done that and taken revenge.
     
  5. Sweetfunny

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    Note the "almost", and that was written before Google started ramping up the ******** crackdown.

    It most definitely is possible to negatively effect the rank of another site.
     
  6. secretboy08

    secretboy08 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    and it was written before the the webmaster gun called xrummer came out.
     
  7. macmastermike

    macmastermike Junior Member

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    i agree with igorrogu - if i can be thrown out of the g00gle index cause i do not follow their guidelines (guess this happened to a lot of people here in the forum at least one time) - i can try to "optimize" my competitors site the same way... or does g00gle want to say "we don't punish or deindex sites any more..."?

    maybe it's just another g00gle-statement with no weight... just to scare seos a little bit and calm down site-owners...

    or they use data from the toolbar/chrome/g00gle-(mail)accounts now to find out who's trying to manipulate rankings... as i don't trust i'd NEVER EVER use any of those tools (like i'd never save any of my documents or mails on google-servers... that's like saving your personal files on your competitors computers)
     
  8. justthinking

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    I am sorry Antx16, I don't get your post either. If you can hurt (or help) your own pages using varying methods, why couldn't you hurt your competitors? To me, it would be the same principle just in reverse. Really, how hard would it be to find out their ids and spam everything under the sun? Not real hard in my opinion. In fact, I believe we can prove it. Lets get together a group of people together and take a site down.
     
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  9. secretboy08

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    i wudnt advice taking down someones site.you will get nothing by taking off food off someones table just to prove your point.
     
  10. justthinking

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    I never said I would do such a thing, but only that I 'believe' it can be done. The last part of my post was not to be meant to be taken seriously. I would not do it, nor would the vast majority of people here at BHW do it. Nevertheless, I still believe it can be done.
     
  11. trog

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    For a "guru" with 100+ sites making cash, I doubt he'll even notice one sites revenue from his table. anything can be done. google is not the only game in town, getting tired of hearing
    google said this and google said that, google don't like this and google don't like that.
    F*ck google. google don't from me, the people do. when enough people view my sites, click my links, google will listen. Yahoo/MSN are always there for ya. :twitch:
     
  12. babysunshine

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    Hmm so if you used xrumer to throw a million back links in forums such as hello kitty online which is no where related to the website you can lower their google score???
     
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    zx_81 Newbie

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    Google have been saying for years that competitors cannot harm a site and for years people have been negatively seo'ing sites to do just that. A quick example springs to mind, though not as relevant today as it once was - proxy scrapers. How many threads have there been in forums about a proxy scraper outranking a genuine site?
     
  14. babysunshine

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    can you please explain to me what a proxy scraper is. Sounds really interesting
     
  15. Sweetfunny

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    This is one of the first posts about it, many of us knew about it long before that though:

    Code:
    http://www.seofaststart.com/blog/google-proxy-hacking
     
  16. babysunshine

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    would it be possible to drop a competitors ranking by posint 1million back links in the most random places that dont relate to their niche?
     
  17. yeti_racer

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    Maybe. Especially if the links were coming from bad neighborhoods. But, if you put the same effort into your own sites, the rewards will probably be better. Not to mention you won't have anyone out for revenge.
     
  18. googlemonster

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    here here, fucking sick of hearing about how Google wants the internet to be run.