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Company doesn't want to pay me?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by kharm, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. kharm

    kharm Power Member

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    I've done SEO services for 4 years or so for a small group of companies and brought them lots of business, but due to their laziness & ignorance they are decreasing in profit. So it's gotten to the point where they don't really want to pay me but still want the rewards of my service all to themselves.

    I have a suspicion they will file a lawsuit if I offer my services anywhere else because I'm a "small guy". Does anyone have a suggestion for what I should do?

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  2. ilim72

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    Can they sue you for not willing to work for free?
     
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  3. kharm

    kharm Power Member

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    Something along the lines of disclosing their data
     
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    Have you disclosed their data?
     
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    funkybunker Supreme Member

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    If you choose to walk away, and you didn't sign some crazy contract, you're fine. Going to another business doesn't have shit to do with them.
     
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    did you sign anything saying you could not work for anyone else?

    To the best of my knowledge, any skills you gain from employment can be used at your next job... otherwise no one would ask for "experienced" workers... Only way i see there being any issue is if they have some trademarked method of doing something, that you cannot copy, but even then, you can still work somewhere else and not use it.

    Only thing i can see is if you signed a non-competitive document saying you cannot work for a competitor for x months.
     
  7. kharm

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    Basically I use data really well, get results, & they want it all to themselves. It just sucks that I have to hide my business because I don't have a union backing me or anything like that.
     
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    I signed a simple non-disclosure agreement (checked with bhw first of course!) which they could possibly misconstrue.
     
  9. funkybunker

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    You're the boss and they're desperate for you. Keep playing doormat and they'll walk on you. Walk away to someone who pays & treats you better and you're set.
    If your skills are that top-notch you can outrank them yourself, and use that in your portfolio for the next business..and you're not breaking any rules.
    Remind them who brings the bacon home.
     
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  10. Duffers5000

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    Im not sure what contract remains binding when they are no longer paying you ? That tends to be the point of a contract....I do work and you pay me......as long as you pay me I will exclusively work for you.

    I would start putting my rates up and make sure everything is well notified in advance giving them an opt out option. Make sure you dont do wishy washy stuff like phone calls or emails. Send them a new tariff of rates by registered post and tell them you will need a rolling contract signed with a three month cancellation notification.
     
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    Something is telling me that you didn't tell us all
     
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    If they try to fuck with you, you have to fuck them two times back man. And if they don't give you any respect you just have to TAKE respect from them.
     
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    If you are subcontracted "1099" in USA and your agreement states "You will do this much work in this amount of time and for that receive this much money" and you have completed your work in that amount of time then your contract is over. If you have no contract and are not an actual employee that's even better.

    I would scan through your communications and e-mails to see what exactly was agreed upon. (anyone can be sued for anything)

    -Disclosure is always an agreement. I doubt you would share somebody else's information anyways and it would be hard to prove otherwise.

    Finally if you want to protect yourself and sell services to another place and are worried you can open up a new LLC and run contracts through that name. Make sure it's not a DBA but an actual new business.

    For future dealings if you can't afford a lawyer to draft documents search out "business in a box" (prob can find it for free if you're 1/10 as savvy as the members here on BHW. It will provide template contracts you can use.
     
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  14. HatArrows

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    You must give us the complete picture
     
  15. kharm

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    We have an ad hoc relationship, you give this I give that. The head ceo spent 1 year or so making sure I wouldn't talk to anyone so I could do a small website for his new business (I could work wherever I want) It's a hardcore business environment, almost everyone working there is like a hybrid of a business person because of the lack of internal communication & leadership. I've actually been too informal before with my money requests because I'm young- But the basics of my story are still true. I'm a small guy and they want my services and me to do nothing that could jeopardize their future business. Thx for the help by the way,
     
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    Make it simple. I know you do not want to lose a client but you must be prepared to do so. Hit them with the "take away method"


    Simply tell them "hey, that's not a problem I understand you are no longer interested in keeping up with your web traffic. We have a great relationship and I have no problem ending our agreement if you need to"

    Then if they don't bite you can follow up with

    "My team/Us provide seo for many companies and if you want to use us in the future we can setup a new agreement at anytime however if your seo services are not maintained and we need to fix them it will be hourly based. We so far have got you in a great spot for maintenance"

    Follow up with "Our hourly rate will be discounted for being such a good customer"


    Then if they drop you MOVE on, they may call you back and every once in awhile you can follow up. Keep track of their rank and use it in your follow up.
     
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    If you have not signed a contract to work with others you have nothing to worry about and you will win any case relating to that.

    If they are worried about you 'leaking data' they should carry on hiring you.

    If you have a problem with them sit them down and explain your position and talk it out. If you guys decide to move on just let it be.

    If they are being cnuts though go on fiverr. you can buy 200k link blasts... a few of them will make them regret their decision.
     
  18. Amsterdammer

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    I think you either need to post the anonymized contract or talk to a lawyer and show him the contract plus relevant information.
    The whole thing sounds a bit vague right now. Not your fault as you try stay out of trouble, but it gives little to base an opinion on.
     
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    Walk away, delete and disavow all links. When they come crawling back to you
    renegotiate.
     
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