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common sense about the services for sale?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by txholdem, May 7, 2012.

  1. txholdem

    txholdem Elite Member

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    I have joined the BHW for over 3 years now. so far the money I have sent here is more than the money I have made. (I must apologize that I still have nothing to contribute but my common-sense thoughts.) those epic stories remains a myth to me even though I still want to believe. I have hesitated to spend a lot of money. so I bought here and there, always small packages. they however did add up still. (The site that made me the most? I NEVER did a damn thing on it! too bad that was not a big money niche.)

    the question here is if those services for sale work?

    1, I find it funny - in all those TV infomercials, eBook sales, and the services for sale, they all come with long lines of testimonials. So they just started the services and already have a long line of testimonials? where the fuck did those "customers" come from huh? this is especially funny with those clickbank ebook or software rollouts. it really made me want to curse!
    2, on the other hand, when i go through the offers. there are plenty of them charging $200-$500, some even more than 1K. I also see that they got plenty of orders too. so who would spend $500 or $1000 that easily? are they the true testimonials? they are silent, but I suspect many who actually bank are. I bot here and there, but never spent more than $50 in an order.
    3, I know according to my experience, some services are quite worthless - you got links that never got indexed, or you got directory submissions that you might never spend the time to check. Others are links that will all disappear in a few days or weeks. Links I bot a year ago probably are 95% gone, including my own AMR labor. I believe some links though did give me some help, though not enough to see cash..

    so the question is - should I risk $200 just to see if a service works?
     
  2. Negative SEO

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    jstover's gig looks tempting, but i agree with you...seo is a sisyphean task
     
  3. lanbo

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    You need to research which services are good or else you'll lose a lot of money.
     
  4. txholdem

    txholdem Elite Member

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    all those big packages guaranteed to significantly improve your SERP and all of them got plenty of buyers. the only difference between them seem to be the different "shapes," either a circle/wheel, a trapezoid/pyramid, or a triangle. lol. and the epic names and adjectives are all pretty impressive as well. it's about links that i know.
     
  5. cool0403

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    Thing is son, all these sellers are just trying to make a buck you feel me? Like as soon as that Kung Fu Panda came into people's life, fools were going crazy up in this forum all Kung Fu Fighting just like the song dawg.

    "Everybody was kung-fu fighting
    Those cats were fast as lightning
    In fact it was a little bit frightning
    But they fought with expert timing"


    All the pussies got scared as hell, but the smart niggas came on top and advertised their hustle as Panda-proof, those fools came on top at the right time . Needless to say, dudes came rushing feening for those bullet-proof links all this Panda-craze lasted for more than a year. Then when Happy Feet shows up out of nowhere knocking all these , supposely hard-coded, blackhatters out of their game and sending their sites dancing in the serps with Happy Feet killing it to Steve Wonder's song "I Wish" just like the movie son, then you end up having all these cry babies singing to the song as well.

    "I wish those days could come back once more
    Why did those days ev-er have to go
    I wish those days could come back once more
    Why did those days ev-er have to go
    Cause I love them so"

    So as you can tell a lot of people are just straight hating the game and many of them want the old times to come back, but shit son you know the saying "Don't hate the game , hate the player". But just wait till Happy Feet 2 comes along, shit you are going to have all these fools crack under pressure, and some other players shoving a big fat landing page on your face showing you all the crazy tests they have done to go head to toe with Happy Feet 2 on the Serps. Just wait!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvgjOeqTRgo

    And don't get me started with all those testimonials, looks like they are just trying to get all these suckas to get on
    the bandwagon and have you cop that package. So remember don't let due dilligence pass you by and do your homework son.
     
  6. mbhmirc

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    i've taken a risk on some services, ones worked out just waiting on the other one. I never made money directly as it was done with my company on the first one. Second one is a big risk so hope it pays off in the form of MNS.
     
  7. soundsdelicious

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    Common-sense thoughts are a good thing to contribute, but after 3 years you should be very knowledgeable with IM, too. If you're not, that is one factor contributing to your lack of success.

    Someone that can spend $1K easily, is someone making much more than that. You see $50 as a comfortable amount to spend, but if your annual salary was several more times what it is right now, $1K could be the new amount you're comfortable with.
    That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of people wasting thousands, but the financial risk is all relative.

    With link services, I'm suprised that you reagrd a service as worthless if the link isn't still there after 1 year! I don't expect any to last longer than 6 months, max. Most Black Hat methods/services are about short-term gain. You will need to also use your common-sense to build something of lasting value.

    As for your question, it seems short-sighted; and I don't think anyone can really answer it, yourself included, unless you can see what the possible outcomes are.
    For starters, how much do you stand to make by using such a service?
     
  8. leeboi999

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    people get these reviews by offering them the product for free before hand in return for a review.
     
  9. txholdem

    txholdem Elite Member

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    thats a good question, but i dont know the answer.
    Now I have seen myself that google keyword tools' results can be way off.
    1, one of my sites got up to 2000 hits a day when google shows monthly at 300.
    2, a site got 5 hits a day at #5 rank. my estimate of #1 will be just 50 hits a day, but googe KWT shows monthly local exact at 12K.

    I see the #1 site pays $35K to get included in directories, but there is no way to know if they are just taking a shot or that they KNEW the keyword is worth it.

    how else am i going to estimate?
     
  10. txholdem

    txholdem Elite Member

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    the point is that they have to have made the money from their ranking sites and they know that similar methods worked. I doubt that people would risk their salaries from their other jobs on something unknown.
     
  11. txholdem

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    thanks for the entertaining video son. lol.
     
  12. Mortz

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    There will be services that are better than others for all of your needs. One could argue that if you're buying the services, you're paying for someone else to do the work that you could do yourself. If you find the services you picked to be useless, than you probably should have done them yourself.

    Everyone's results will be different. Keywords, niche marketing, competition, on-site SEO will always weigh in on the outcome.

    I live by: "Buy all the $10.00 bills you can with $9.99 because in the end, you're making money :)

    Automating these backlinking services let's me focus on other markets, products and things I am better at.
     
  13. bileana

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    there are a few books you need to read, then you will know what services you should buy.
    but generally if its to good to be true, it isn't. :p
     
  14. zverr

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    You can never be sure if a service works even it has many testimonials. Google changes things very often and what worked yesterday may not work today. You must do this like with every other investment. Don't spent money you can't afford to lose and hope for the best.
     
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    I wouldn't spend 200 on a service myself. I believe in ownership, which you don't get with many a service.
     
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    Learn about what they are selling and then you will know the real worth. I read a post on BHW something like "why 99% of you will never succeed at IM" did you read it?
     
  17. NeoPat

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    I think the key is basically to know what you are doing lol and having patience to wait, ultimately i have downed around £500 into IM, but with my first niche, 2k GMS, i only needed a simple package which got me top of that niche for the specific keyword in 1 month, lack of SEO on my part has made it drop to 3, however it wasnt affected by penguin. Another package that i bought saw my rankings jump from nowhere in the top 100, to in the top 30 for 3 big keywords. Brilliant results, just need to wait for the dancing to stop and i have a good idea of what i need to do to push for top spot. But even at this point im getting around 20 unique visitors a day. Read around, see whats working in the SEO world, and then fit the bill to the BST packages.
     
  18. txholdem

    txholdem Elite Member

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    at top 30, you get 20 uniques? whats the exact GMS?
    which package got you there?
     
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    Woh intense!
     
  20. Nigel Farage

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    Whose fault do you think that is? Someone else's? It sounds to me like even after 3 years you are completely clueless, almost as if you have made a deliberate decision to stay that way, and the sum total of your involvement in your own success is to either pay someone else to make you successful, or gripe about it when they don't.