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Common Misconceptions About Google's New 30-Day Waiting Period/Sandbox

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by SEO Power, Jul 15, 2014.

  1. SEO Power

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    I've been reading various threads on the new Google 30-day sandbox filter and I've noticed that there's a lot of confusion and misconceptions regarding the sandbox that I'd like to debunk.

    1. New sites don't automatically get sandboxed after a few days unless you build links too fast. The anchor text doesn't seem to matter in my tests. As long as you acquire too many backlinks within a short period of time, the sandbox awaits you.

    2. The sandbox or 30-day waiting period seems to be a filter applied to the backlinks to a site or domain, not the domain itself. I've undergone this 30 day waiting period on aged domains as well, so it's definitely the age of backlinks that matter, not the age of the domain. I believe that after the backlinks have reached a certain age, the filter disappears and link juice flows to the site which then causes a big jump in rankings.

    Lastly, the sandbox has existed before the May update and it lasts even longer than 30 days. Perhaps this blog post from Hayden at No Hat SEO entitled "Sandboxing of New Sites ? SERP Auditions?" will help you understand what I'm saying better. Just do a Google search for it.

    What do you think?
     
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  2. SEO Power

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    Bumping this thread up for any thoughts from members.
     
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    Sounds about right. Pretty much all my pages i am sending links to 800 sv and up i cant move very well from there current positions. It started for me at around june 20th or so. So hopefully things get moving sometime in august. Going to focus on building more quality content, instead of links for a few weeks.
     
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    hello, nice post. can you tell me for how long the filter can be applied? i have seen website with keywords raking at about 16-20 moved down to 180 or so overnight in april 2014. Sure enough there was some linkbuilding done a few weeks before that. The site didnot recovered to date and there is no manual penalty. do we need to disavow links?
     
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    i think the sandbox must only apply if you really overdo it, or perhaps its only in certain niches with more competition than what I am dealing with. I've started 2 sites in the past couple of weeks and sent around 200 PBN links to each within that time period and they are fine and progressing in the rankings nicely.
     
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    I've had a site sandboxed for 7 months. It was sandboxed and was no where to be found in the SERPs but then it appeared in the SERPs after 7 months and slowly climbed up to the #1 spot within two weeks. So the filter can last for several weeks to many months, no one knows. Just keep publishing great content and building quality backlinks while you wait.
     
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    Exactly what I mean. Build quality links slowly and you won't have to face the sandbox. You may eventually get to a point where your site gets stuck in the SERPs (usually on page 2) and fails to move any further but don't fret if you do. Just keep building quality links slowly and consistently and, with time, you will hit the first page.
     
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    Great info. Thanks!
     
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    Difficult to say anything for sure really, but its always been a good practice to go slow on link building at all times.
     
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    Slow and steady wins the race, they say :)
     
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    Interesting that may be the reason that the site that im hitting with 8 backlinks daily has been increasing in serps. All targetted keywords are in top40 and daily getting higher.
     
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    Only i'm allowed to say that!
     
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    Agreed. This is exactly why I rarely buy from service providers on BHW anymore. Sales threads that promise 100,000 links from 10,000 platforms are NO GOOD for the vast majority of sites. Churn and burn perhaps, but anyone who builds links like these, whether tier 1, 2, 3 or 10 would be damn foolish to hit any long term builds with them. 100 simple but high quality links built slowly will outperform 1 million multi tiered spam links, any day of the week.
     
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    You definitely have to weed through the bad services in the marketplace, but there are a handful that I continue to use and have for atleast a year or longer. I would avoid blog network posts, especially the cheap ones, it's very easy to spot garbage nowadays. Split test different services on various clean websites, if you are just throwing a bunch of random services at one URL, you are going to run into issues and you'll have no idea which services helped / hurt you.
     
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    This was probably a response to the deeply humiliating SERPs where some folks ranked an African embassy site #1 for a world famous KW. That's how Google works: you create an embarrassing SEO situation, they simply filter some shit by hand and create a new hole elsewhere. So the behavior was: rank a site quickly for a keyword using such and such technique? They instated this 30 day wait period that gives their hand reviewers time to rank their buddies's site..I mean, "guarantee SERP quality"...
     
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    Imo, site quality and age does matter, I'm still getting page 1 rankings within a few weeks but not by blasting the crap out of it with 1000s of links, instead only using a handful of high quality links...
     
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    interesting.. can you provide more info on this? it's always entertaining to see big G get their asses kicked by seo's
     
  19. aka sam

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    Its a good read mate, ( the blog posts you talked about)

    I am also doing some case studies regarding it for 3 of my niche sites, Lets see how things come out.
     
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    are you talking about the african embassy seo hack? can you point me to some links with more material? interested to read about it.