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College results bare no reflection of your ability.

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  1. Figrole

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    Hey guys,

    Just going to write this little post about a somewhat heated argument just had with my girlfriend haha (lol),


    Anyway - for perspective: We are in Ireland. She is the most dedicated booksmart student you will ever meet. Perfect grades, perfect attendance - the works.

    Me on the other hand - not so much a perfect score student + far from perfect attendance. I find the entire cirriculum so boring. I have spent many nights reading on here to try grow my skill set, months of experimenting, learning how to sell, cold calling clients, making up websites, helping them rank up through google and gain from their investments etc etc.


    As you can see - 2 completely different outlooks.


    Anyway, we are both appraoching that stage in college where we ee to do internships etc - I failed an exam so I am unable to attend (personally i prefere that, I have much bigger plans - developing software, growing business etc) but girlfriend on the other hand got a perfect score in her exams so she will likely not only recieve a place for internship, but recieve some sort of payment also.


    Que to the argument - she was going on saying how I should of studied more for my exams because then I would be able to go on an internship also and because she put in work and studied she is now able to get a pai placement yadadadada and going on and on and I somewhat snapped.


    I said to her just because she was able to learn off theories (4ps of marketing from like the 80s and shit - completely outdated and irrelevant stuff in todays day and age) and recite them back in an exam setting better than I was able to, does not mean that she should be more entitled to a paid placement.

    I just said the whole structure was ridiculous (which it is in my opinion haha) and asked her a few little quick fire basic question (how could a company calculate its cost per lead, how could a company even begin to start ranking for new keywords, whats the difference between 1st, 2nd and 3rd tier traffic etc.)


    I have helped local businesses rank for keywords in less than 2 months, help clients land huge contracts and expand their businesses in ways they didnt even think was possible.


    And I am only starting this whole IM thing - and I am 20.


    know thats just how the world works - need a degree to get into places basically, but sometimes for other people its just not the path you want to go.
     
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    College results bear* no reflection
     
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  3. Figrole

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    God dammit I was hoping noone would notice..
     
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    the irony is funny
     
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    College = the traditional route you're supposed to take after high-school.

    Being a 17-year old and understanding that college is meant to ready you for the rest of your life don't really go together. Did you know what you wanted to do at 17?

    I would suggest that every single high-schooler takes one year off. Work, travel, hang out for a little bit; you'll never be a teenager again.
     
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    There is a good TED talk about why society should move away from the traditional means of assessment of ability, and instead encourage more creativity.

    Much learning at school is learning how to pass exams to meet schools' targets, not learning to think creatively.

    There are plenty of successful people in the world who were not successful at school.
     
  7. Figrole

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    Honestly that's the best advice I think anyone could of given me.

    Just wish I did it myself.

    Do you have a link for this talk? Seems to be a few onthe topic, just seeing which you are referring to.
     
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    I'll put my input into this, I don't think anyone should be paid to go to college after school. After school it is a personal choice. There are far too many people bumming round doing college courses. Plus there is nothing worse than seeing these scrounging students rioting and causing trouble over having to pay their own UNI fees, self-entitled gob shites. Ironically the thick bastards prove that they are not worth it by the way that they act.
     
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    This!

    I have failed like many times in college...I used to never attend the examinations which is another story. The thing is I make way more than the C employees in my company lol....Just so you know I am also associated with a "billionaire" in another business that is helping startups get noticed.
     
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    These discussions usually go in the same direction. "There are many successful people who do not have a college degree." Might be true but there are much more not successful people who have no degree. I don't want to say that a college degree is necessary to be successful and I give my greatest respect to everybody who is successful, might he have a college degree or not. But a college degree still is the best backup plan you can have. I'd like to do IM for a long time too and be successful but you'll never know if you can make it in this business forever. I guess you'll find a dozen examples of people who made five figures a month, crashed and never made it back to the top.

    In case I should once make enough money in IM to live from it, I'll do it. And in case my projects go down and I'm not able to support me and my family anymore I don't want to go back to Mc Donalds flipping burger.

    And not all college degrees are useless. I don't know about other countries but in germany we do have many courses which don't teach you boring stuff from the 80's but stuff that will really bring you forward. If your current course is not helping you to shift forward your goals you might consider to change it.
     
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    I think college isn't just about grades. It's a place where you can meet and hang out with people who have a similar passion as yours. If you only go there to get a good grade, might as well not go there at all
     
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    That's it. You'll never find like minded people as easy as there. It's worth it not only for learning but for networking too.

    Luckily we don't have to physically attend in Germany to the courses so as long as there is no one I'd like to meet on that particular day I stay home. Much more efficient usage of my time.

    At this point I'd like to quote my favorite post on that topic made by @Sherbert Hoover because I completely agree with his opinion:
     
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    Son, do not argue with your girlfriend. A woman is always right.
     
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    When I was in college, I already know getting a degree/master/phd is not going to be the only way to success.
    Thus, I'm here in BHW, hustling day in day out to build my path to success.
    Go with your heart.
     
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    @Figrole Your mistake was that you were trying to argue with her. Did you really think you'd change her mindset?

    When she was complaining to you, you should've said something like this: Ok, babe, maybe you're right, and then give her a smile. That's it.
     
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    Exactly what @Sherbert Hoover said.

    I got a degree in law that is absolutely useless in both IM and trading that I do.

    Or is it?

    University taught me to use my fuckin head. To process information, find connections, to critically think, to evaluate, even to learn effectively and most of all, how to be patient and sit on my fuckin ass until the job is done.

    90% of people crying about how university is pointless and how many people got rich even without it, will end up flipping burgers. It's merely an excuse for them not to study, because they are too lazy to to do so. And if you are too lazy to study, you are most likely too lazy to work as well. These types are looking for easy ways out, get rich quick schemes, they cut corners where they can and suffer from unjustified super confidence in their intellect. Oh and they also have some "Anonymous" bullshit in their avatar and bitch about the system 24/7 as a side effect. They are also rarely older than 23.

    They are basically younger versions of all the older people that you can see nowadays, who blame everyone and everything for their miserable life. The only difference is, they had an access to the internet in their young age. They might look different, but core is the same.
     
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    Like @issorc college is important in terms of a backup plan. You won't really get a desk job if you don't have a degree now ,will you?
    I'm 17 and I'll be joining a Uni for majoring in Business this July.The normal plan of going to Uni ,get a degree,do internships and get a placement/job w/e is a plan I don't like one bit.

    Also this

    I hate people like this ,they are like robots. I know people like this. It sucks hanging around cause even I feel like a robot around them. Its like they don't realize what they truly are interested in or are good at.

    I'm interested in IM and Filmmaking. After 3 years of Uni if my IM journey goes well and I have enough money I plan on going to LA film school to get an associates degree in film making. Why? Well I wanna experience it or if not that . I just wanna travel for a year by myself. After 3 years of Uni I don't wanna be working in an office wearing a stupid shirt with a tie.

    True . This what I'd do .

    I wish I could do this.
     
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    If studying law is nearly as hard as it is in germany it definitely teaches (or teached) you not to be a lazy fucktard. My girlfriend does study media science with a focus on media law and has to take most courses normal law students do too. When we were learning together I usually was less concentrated and I spend many hours less learning because I was learning or wasting my time. Nevertheless she passed with minimum grade and 82% of the people did not pass while only 3% were better than the minimum grade. If you want to learn not to be lazy, there you go.

    My courses do not only teach me to think and to learn but also bring me forward in IM which is awesome. Over the last year I had courses in programming, advanced algorithms, database design, business process analysis, business economics and information systems. For me that was very insightful and if you think about such topics all day you'll find ways to implement them in your IM work to make it more effective :)

    @Sherbert Hoover as I re-read your answer and you said your degree didn't help in IM too, what exactly did you study?
     
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    Yes it's not a reflection of your ability but getting a college degree is good as it will give you a lot. You don't need to get an 'A' grade as it may require lots of time, just an pass grade is enough to get a degree easily. Don't miss the college life in your younger age :).
     
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    Reality check: See has started seriously looking at you as a loser and it's bad enough that it's come to the point that she's telling you in your face. The argument itself and its resolution bears no matter. In her eyes, you're getting out fast. So, I'd suggest you start preparing for finding a new one. Visibly but not provocatively.
     
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