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Client Used Me - Now is been an A-hole

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Flambico, Jun 18, 2015.

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  1. Flambico

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    Right guys, here is my problem. I've been fucked over by one of my clients. Cutting a long story short. I had a verbal agreement, with my client that once we got him to Page 1, that he would have to pay me a retainer fee. The client had no problems with this, he seemed a genuine guy, and said no problem at all!

    Well I eventually spent HOURS on his site, and eventually ranked him on Page 1. He was really happy, I was happy that it was finally there... then I get an email off him, saying thank you for getting him to page 1 and it has been really good working with you.

    It came across, as he got page 1.. and in a polite way, was telling me, I am no longer needed. So I decided to clarify this point, and he basically told me, he did not see any value in keep paying me, as he was page 1 now.

    At first, I was sooo pissed!! I wanted to pull out the big guns and destroy this fuckers website. But after thinking about it, it still will not get me my money. So I have decided to let him keep his rankings, and I am now going to contact his competitors, and use this site as an example, I can rank in this niche.

    I wanted to ask some of you more experienced guys, what is the best way to go about contacting his competitors?

    Email, phone, mail ?

    Also, can this client sue me, if I did decide to contact his competitors ? There was no contracts between us, it was a verbal agreement between us, done on a hand shake.

    What do you guys make of the situation ?
     
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    Haha, you just as evil as your profile pic :p

    It did however cross my mind, but the thing is.. I still will not get my money. I am thinking if I contact his competitors, and show them I have ranked before, and I can do it again.

    But, I wanted to know the laws on it, before I start. I want to know if I am safe doing it ? and what is the best way of doing it ?
     
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    You made a good decision, damaging his site is not going to get you your money.
    There is no law preventing you from working with other people in the industry, you must not reveled any classified information on your client to other, keep all his trade secret and everything he told you to yourself, the next client will appreciate your professionalism.

    What you can do is use your knowalge and your methods to promote other businesses in this niche, as long as you use your trade secrets and your experience there is nothing anyone can do about it.

    Keep thinking posetive and good luck.
     
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    Think of it this way -- after you're done you can sell him on an ORM service.
     
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    There's nothing wrong in ditching the person who ditched you. He can't sue you as you guys doesn't have any contract (written). And the best way of communicating his competitors? i prefer contacting via Phone. Get an appointment fixed and this time get into a contract for retainer.
     
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    There is a name to this method, it's called extortion.
    I don't recommend using it.
     
  7. snoopdogg1

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    First thing is first. I would not waste time trying to get revenge as your time is better spent making money. The other is did you point out that getting him on page one is only half the job. The other half is keeping him there. As for competition you are in business to make money right? If you had a radio station and sold adverts whould you not sell to everyone? Competitors or not you are a business and that's what businesses do. You have a great case study to sell his competition, just show them what you have done for him. My 2 cents anyway
     
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    Destroying his website won't get you your money back but will teach him a lesson to never do what he did ever again. Next time he won't scam other people.
    This should teach everyone a lesson to never do work for free. Get at least half of the payment in advance.
     
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    Zwielicht Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I'm actually going to agree with you on this one, although the community is generally against negative SEO when it involves negative SEOing a competitor when you can't rank yourself. In OP's case where he was hired to do work and didn't receive any payment, I can see why people are suggesting negative SEO; if the OP built it and didn't get paid, then he can destroy it as well.

    However, I still don't agree with using negative SEO against the client. Instead, I would take this as a lesson learnt and improve your business based on that. For example, someone on this forum recently hired me on here to do some on-page SEO work for one of their sites. We had a written contract that was verbally agreed to and they paid me for the first half of the work, but they didn't pay me the $200 second half of the payment after I finished everything. They've been ignoring my Skype messages and they haven't logged on to BHW in over a month.

    Sure, I could have negative SEO'd his site, destroyed the site, or opened up a SL thread against him; but I decided to leave it alone and forget the $200 they owe me just this once. I took it as a lesson to not be so trusting with new clients as too many people take advantage of you online and offline. Additionally, I do not know what happened to the guy; for all I know, he died.

    • He hasn't been on BHW.
    • He hasn't worked on his site. Edit: I checked the site's blog, and the last article was posted on June 10 by the company owner (I was working with the web developer/sie manager/someone who outsources).
    • It doesn't look like he's been on Skype.
    • I still have full access to his accounts and his website. You would think a scammer would change these.

    Either way, because this guy skipping out on his invoice was the last straw for me, I've used this experience as a lesson and have become much more assertive with my entire business as I now require the payment first before doing any work. If anyone has a problem with it, then I'll refuse to work with them. I still lenient with my older clients (because I know they'll always pay), but the new ones have to work for that trust.
     
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  10. tony_d

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    A very simple phone call will suffice;
    "Hi fella, do you really wanna go to war with someone who manipulates Google for a living?
    It's far more profitable in the long term for you to stick to the agreement we made in good faith. If you can't pay me this week, tell me directly, and we can work something out.
    In any case - I'm not going to do anything to destroy your rankings because that's not how I operate, but, I will provide massive discounts to your competitors and you'll fall off the first page pretty quickly, back to where you were.
    So why don't we just stick to the agreement - I'll send you over a link for a PayPal subscription, and you start paying for the work I've done that is already putting cash in your bank account...
    "

    And truly say it nicely, and politely - if he still doesn't get it, walk away and forget about it. Learn your lesson - at least put the agreement in email.

    However - it comes back to what I often say, which is, it doesn't matter what your 'iron-clad written agreement' says, if someone wants to do the wrong thing by you, they're going to do the wrong thing. There's nothing you can do to prevent bad intent, except to spot it a mile away, and steer clear of it.

    But in this instance, as always, the best thing to do is to communicate with your words and actions that you are a reasonable person.
    If you maintain a genuine sense of being a reasonable person, things just tend to go better, and clients will respect you for it, and they'll almost be too ashamed to not pay you.
    Whatever you do, don't go the nSEO path - it's a lose/lose. Being a reasonable person, and confronting him politely sets you up for a win/win.

    The quality of your life will be in direct proportion to the number of difficult conversations you're willing to have.
    This is one opportunity to have a difficult conversation.
     
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