Client Complaining... For using BLACKHAT !?!

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Hello Guys.

I have an SEO client.

He is increasing in the SERPS for a competitive keyword.
I have checked the guy in number 1 position and he has nearly 400k of backlinks!

The client has complained because of some of the Xrumer type blasts and the fact that on some of the posts - other spammers have posted links to porn.
- Obviously, we cannot do anything about this and cant control what people post before or after us but they are not happy...

We havent said we are 100% white hat ethical.
The client also is not an SEO expert - but they have researched the term "BLACK HAT" and think its all evil and there site is going to get banned...

What would your response be?

Thanks
 

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Well,

I'm not sure if the site will be banned. Will it? I don't think so. 400K backlinks sounds like a very large amount... if the site is old and this amount of backlinks isn't bad for it, then it won't get sandboxed or drop in the SERPS. Therefore, that being said, I would give them some sort of 'guanrantee' that their site won't be banned (de indexed) for the service you are providing?

Just an idea.
 

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Ask them if they would choose to be unethical with #1 spots, or ethical with #50 spots?
 

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If your client is an offline company with a reputation to protect, obviously they do not want their site associated with porn, gambling, spamming links etc. No offense but using Xrumer makes your site look like it could be selling viagra. If he is simply a website owner, I would explain to him that you are simply using the same tactics as the competition, however you will use strictly white hate techniques from now on if he wishes.

Hello Guys.

I have an SEO client.

He is increasing in the SERPS for a competitive keyword.
I have checked the guy in number 1 position and he has nearly 400k of backlinks!

The client has complained because of some of the Xrumer type blasts and the fact that on some of the posts - other spammers have posted links to porn.
- Obviously, we cannot do anything about this and cant control what people post before or after us but they are not happy...

We havent said we are 100% white hat ethical.
The client also is not an SEO expert - but they have researched the term "BLACK HAT" and think its all evil and there site is going to get banned...

What would your response be?

Thanks
 

captainsquirril1208

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There site really should not get banned at all - i think they are just very scarred.

If a competitor can build that many i am sure a blast wownt hurt!

We also have some decent likes and article posts...
 

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I would use the same old bit that I use:

#1
"If you're trying to change your ranks on Google, you're already breaking the rules"

and #2
"Would you rather me do this with software and get it accomplished for $xx.xx a month, or hire a team of Indians to the exact same thing but allegedly "white hat" for double the price?"

Seems to get me out of most binds.
 

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They have 400K backlinks and they are worried about getting de-indexed? I highly doubt google would punish someone for having that many backlinks. I suggest telling them that if the the site gets banned, then you will put in all the work needed to get it "unbanned".
 

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how did you get 400k backlinks? dont tell me you got that with just xrumer, i would really love to know how you did it
 

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just tell him this:
google does not ban sites that have links on pages where porn links are present.if that were the case,it would be too easy for beating the competition,wouldn't it?
 

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They have 400K backlinks and they are worried about getting de-indexed? I highly doubt google would punish someone for having that many backlinks. I suggest telling them that if the the site gets banned, then you will put in all the work needed to get it "unbanned".


- You have mis understood - I HAVE NOT BUILT THEM 400k Links...
I am saying - the person in position number 1 - there competitor HAS 400k of links...

Just as an example there competitor is doing it
 

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Ask them if they would choose to be unethical with #1 spots, or ethical with #50 spots?

Your right...

BUT - Thats what i want to say, but i need to be nice about it.
It i am being completely honest i would like to say:

This is how the SEO world works - FACT
Everyones doing it
Even the big players are doing it
Its whats needed to get to the top - but ALL IN MODERATION

- Which is all true... I just need to figure out how to prove it nicely
 

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If I was your client you wouldn't get paid and I'd make sure you went out of business
very fast. It may be ok to blackhat your own sites but to jeopardise someone else's
business and reputation without their prior knowledge is unforgivable.
People like you give SEO consultants a bad rep. If you was worth any salt at all you
would've told your client that increasing their ranking takes time and done it properly, instead you tried to
make yourself look like Charlie big potatoes by cutting corners and ended
up looking like an Idiot.
keith said:
"Would you rather me do this with software and get it accomplished for $xx.xx a month, or hire a team of Indians to the exact same thing but allegedly "white hat" for double the price?"
Yes I bloody well would rather have manually built, relevant backlinks made by a team of diligent professionals!
You could rephrase it and say " Would you rather me put your business acumen and reputation on the line for a couple of bucks or shall I do it properly and show that I'm a true professional.
 

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If I was your client you wouldn't get paid and I'd make sure you went out of business
very fast. It may be ok to blackhat your own sites but to jeopardise someone else's
business and reputation without their prior knowledge is unforgivable.
People like you give SEO consultants a bad rep. If you was worth any salt at all you
would've told your client that increasing their ranking takes time and done it properly, instead you tried to
make yourself look like Charlie big potatoes by cutting corners and ended
up looking like an Idiot.

Yes I bloody well would rather have manually built, relevant backlinks made by a team of diligent professionals!
You could rephrase it and say " Would you rather me put your business acumen and reputation on the line for a couple of bucks or shall I do it properly and show that I'm a true professional.


99% of the people online don't even know how to check "backlinks" so how would their reputation and business acumen be ruined?

Also, if you try to say that you could get banned by Google... well I personally haven't heard anyone get banned using Xrumer. Most people that get banned try to use link wheels and get burned. I understand where your coming from, but sometimes you gotta just give people what they want. They don't even know what they want! They want to get customers and save money. Well, black hat is the way.... or you can shell out triple times the money for the same result!


To the OP.... Tell your customer that unless you want to cough up 100k for white hat services (probably more), this is the only way. Plus, I can't really SEE you beating 400k links legit white hat.
 

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99% of the people online don't even know how to check "backlinks" so how would their reputation and business acumen be ruined?
It only takes 1%, that's how.
Guess there's a lot of members on here looking to make a fast buck
rather than a continuous one.
 
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Plus, I can't really SEE you beating 400k links legit white hat.

You need to do the darkest blackhat ever...
But not spamming - there are ways that cant`t be spoken, to create reputable backlinks that will give you power to conquer the world :D
 

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It only takes 1%, that's how.
Guess there's a lot of members on here looking to make a fast buck
rather than a continuous one.

I think only 1% know what back links are... whereas .05% know how to check them :p

I'm trying to use my mind and see what makes sense in this situation.
 

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<snip>
Yes I bloody well would rather have manually built, relevant backlinks made by a team of diligent professionals!
You could rephrase it and say " Would you rather me put your business acumen and reputation on the line for a couple of bucks or shall I do it properly and show that I'm a true professional.


Couple bucks? I would be charging thousands of dollars a month for that service. And to almost all businesses in my area, that's unacceptable.

It's not that I don't offer people that option, people just never want it when they see the price difference.

Oh and btw, my bots have better English than 90% of cheap labor forces, and I filter all spammed links out of my databases, so no, you won't have your link right next to some p0rn picture on a random forum.

Before you generalize that everyone doing black hat is some mindless idiot who is trying to get rich quick without working, think about people like myself who have turned to well developed strategies mixing the two together to overcome price limitations for companies who cannot afford to have a internet marketing company doing things "legit".
 

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You need to explain that rank is incread by backlinks,there is no other way to do this,and yes your competitor use xrumer and the other tools that you are using..

And google can not ban your site,because it is impossible to know who made the links.
 

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Well first of why did you link directly to his site ? Its much better to make satelite sites and interlink them in a random patern and also link to the main site.
And then just do blasts to the satelite sites.
And that way if he stops paying you you can just remove HIS links and rent out your network of satelites to someone else ;)
Its a much better choice if you think about it.
 
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