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ClickBank vs Direct PayPal payments? Clickbank turned me down

Discussion in 'Clickbank' started by yousefgreat, Oct 16, 2009.

  1. yousefgreat

    yousefgreat Regular Member

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    I've had a website making 30-40 sales via a simple PayPal BuyNow button. It wasn't lots of $$$ but the money was still pouring in......

    A couple of months later, I decide to replace the PayPal button with a ClickBank buynow button and thought ClickBank would be a better solution and will provide higher conversion.

    Guess what? A whole month passed with only 2 SALES.... From 30 to 2 sales is quite a big drop which made me start thinking to abandon ClickBank for the rest of my life.

    I was wondering, why did this happen? Anybody experience the same??

    I would really appreciate any feedback.

    PS: I only changed the link of the BuyNow button.. Landing Pages were not edited or changed
     
  2. TermsB

    TermsB Senior Member

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    Paypal is a much more trusted and widely known name than ClickBank. Depending on what your product was you may have targeted some people who know that sellers earn a commission off of ClickBank sales which made them doubt your reviews / claims. Did the checkout after clicking the button go to a ClickBank checkout rather than a Paypal checkout? If so, that's why, people tend to think changing to a new site that is a totally different look is a bit scary to enter your personal information into.
     
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    catapult copy Registered Member

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    You are not the only one questioning this. I personally are starting to think that CB is shaving or doing the normal dodgy stuff. Also more people have a paypal account and regonise paypal - while paypal sucks, the reality is you get more sales with paypal. Have tested this over and over again.

    One option to test is use order page and have both options, even though CB you can use both and see what happens
     
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  4. yousefgreat

    yousefgreat Regular Member

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    TermsB & catapult....... Thanks for your replies!!

    Well I do not think ClickBank would shave earnings away but again you never know!
    I am quite pissed that conversions dropped 90% since I used clickbank!!
    I will give it another month, and will see how things will go then.....

    Catapult, I will give your idea a try.. Thanks :)
     
  5. shoesmell

    shoesmell Newbie

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    As one of the first Clickbank affiliates I can say they are a great company. Been using for probably a decade now even though sales dried up for the product I was/am selling. I can say there was a time I got 50k or 100k deposits from them and it was never anything but quick and professional.
    I too can vouche that paypal is the armpit asshole of corporate america, bunch of fuckwads (though google is fast approaching them) yet alas, I'm stuck using them as well for my recurring billing. I tried CCBill for a day, not a single transaction, switched back to shitpal and unfortunately they started in again. CCBill is a phenomenal company as well, with much better rates. I would use them in a heartbeat if all the dumbshits that have money to burn didn't pussy around like that.
     
  6. yousefgreat

    yousefgreat Regular Member

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    Totally agree with you....
    I HATE GayPal... I have had lots of awkward situations with them requesting documents and personal stuff to get faxed.... I've got my money on hold and account frozen a couple of times..... I've had the worst experience ever talking to them via phone.....
    Overall, I would do anything to avoid direct contact with them..... I understand that they have monopolized the online money sending/receiving, so ignoring them would be quite hard.

    Thank you GayPal for freezing my whitehat $$$$$ for 6 months twice in a row when all money was from your own website, eGay!

    That is why I will give Clickbank another month and hope everythin runs smooth with em..
     
  7. jaimejijon

    jaimejijon Registered Member

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    It happened to me too... I think the same, maybe Paypal is more trusted than clickbank, when I turned back to paypal, the conversione went up to normal again.
    Not gonna use clickbank, at least for my established products.
     
  8. Erik Creed

    Erik Creed BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    Clickbank is fine...

    I never trust any of the processors 100%.

    Here's what I did and you can do it too.
    Have a product delivery system where you'd have to process all the orders yourself.
    I had this done by having a membership script where AFTER customers had ordered they could simply fill out a form with their desired "username" and "password" and I would activate their account within 24 hours.

    With such a system no one can fool you, and the refunds are still very low.

    Perhaps you could somehow automate a similar process with a different membership script, where all new customers would need to fill in a membership form to activate their account.
    This way you can compaire your membership admin statistics with clickbank sales.

    But seriously, I'd trust clickbank they're nott stupid enough to scam anyone.
    If they scammed anyone for a sale, then everyone inculding the ones making $10K a day would stop using them!
     
  9. banghead

    banghead Junior Member

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    This is one siiiiillllly little question -do you sell your own product or affiliate one -if it's affiliate one have you seen on clickbank order page:
    affiliate=your id
    or have you seen
    affiliate=none
    I'm asking this cause it's impossible to place cookie by direct linking to clickbank order page and even with double meta refresh -still screwing me up a bit(noob i guess...)
     
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    I/We use ejunkie for all our payment processing. It isnt a payment processor in its own right, it still runs through Paypal, MoneyBookers, Google Checkout etc. But it gives that extra layer of protection i guess. And everything is 10x easier to manage.

    Ejunkie is only like 5 bucks per month aswell. And there is no commissions for them (They make money on the upsell). Plus it keeps database of your customers, so you can send newsletters. We pay no more then like $3 per 100 email subscribers each mailout so its really good pricing.

    Not to mention chargebacks and the like are all shown through ejunkie. And i dont know whether it will help you in the long run with paypal. I have a feeling that if they know its all running through an external payment processor like ejunkie, they might just be alot more leniant.
     
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  11. zebinet

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    Clickbank sucks and nobody trust it, better use paypal.
     
  12. LadyHye

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    You can pay via PayPal for Clickbank.. you know that right? Credit card or Paypal..
     
  13. incognito876

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    Thats interesting- I am thinking of taking clickbank of my page and replacing it with paypal, or ejunkie.

    What niche are you in?
     
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    Im confused....are your marketing you own product? Am I wrong that you can't change the buy button on the sales page for clickbank products....or do you guys have your own sale page you sell CB stuff thru?

    -T
     
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    99.99% of ALL affiliate/CPA companies shave to some degree.

    Although to be honest, I think you can put this down to the fact that the majority of internet users won't have heard of ClickBank, but will have heard of PayPal.

    People are naturally scared of the unknown and therefore will be more likely to put their trust in PayPal.

    Although I personally wouldn't have predicted such a large drop.
     
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    What are these guys talking about when they say they replaced clickbank on their page with paypal or Ejunkie?
     
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    I imagine their referring to their own info product they are marketing on CB?
     
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    phazzy Newbie

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    In my experience, those who bought clickbank products are mostly online marketers. From my testing, info products or marketing products seem to fare better with clickbank, especially with most of them buying through their affiliate link.

    for other non-marketing or non-info products, the consumers seem to trust paypal more. I did a survey on my non-marketing list and interestingly enough, the majority of them seem to think the name "clickbank" is somewhat scammy.
     
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    So paypal can help you convert more? That's very interesting. I was mostly using clickbank all the way.
     
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    Is this correct?