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Clickbank and Adwords

Discussion in 'Affiliate Programs' started by oraclenet, Jan 7, 2008.

  1. oraclenet

    oraclenet Newbie

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    Just getting into the clickbank game, but before i target products properly like building review sites and creating articles etc. i'm trying to test them first using adwords.

    Now at the moment i'm simply using a frame redirect forwarding to a cloaked url using tiny url .com. Its all done through my domain control panel. I know its not the best way but I don't want to invest in hosting and other marketing costs unless I know the ebook i'm promoting converts well. As you know using with this method google will give me a really crap quality score and poor listings for my spend, for using frames but what else can i do? please advise.

    I don't want to send the traffic straight to the affiliates site with my hoplink visible as some buggers will no doubt clear their cookies and put in their hoplink and nick my sale, but if they know what they are doing they can just paste the tinyurl into their browser and do it that way.- just can't win!

    so i'm just wondering what your recommendations are for doing the adwords clickbank thing without a website, for maximum effect whilst keeping google fairly happy and maintaining an alright quality score. Is it possible?

    Sorry if this post sounds really dumb and stupid, but this is my first post and just starting out at this.

    Cheers Ben
     
  2. pizan

    pizan Newbie

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    good luck with this man. tel us how it goes!
     
  3. WhiteAl

    WhiteAl Registered Member

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    I know what you mean oraclenet, as Ive spent money on buying domain names just for frame-cloaking purposes in the past, but what you gotta know is this:
    When it comes to selling clickbank items, there are 3 types of buyers.

    1. The ppl who dont know shit about affilite marketing or affiliate links and for who it doesnt matter if the display url is "www productname com /affilitesID=joe922-p4kjfnrf/Iamanaffilaite:g223ntnbi/didImentionImanaffiliate?

    2. The ppl who know about affiliate links, but would be willing to buy through your link if you offer them something in return.

    3. The smart ppl who know that almost every site that sells something has an affiliate program and that they can save upto 75% (or more) of their money if they want to buy whatever is being sold by deleting all their cookies and going through their own ref-link.


    Now, whats really a question is what product your promoteing, because if your trying to sell something to the masses then I actually wouldnt really worry about leaving your hoplink in plain view. Just think about yourself in the past. Its just natural now to scan the url display or take a quick look at the source code for afiliate links, but do you remember yourself doing that before you knew about affiliate marketing? I know I dont. I'm quite sure the vast majority of ppl out there on the net dont know about affiliate programs and such, even if it sounds hard to beleive. And if your trying to sell products where those ppl are the targeted buyers, forget about affiliate-cloaking.

    Really actually there are only 2 groups of ppl concerned here: - ppl who know about affiliate links and ppl who dont.

    Now, your only concern should be with the ppl who know about affiliate links. If your trying to promoteing some sort of product like googleassassin, googlepayload or something like that, that has targeted buyers of an audience of ppl who quite well know what affiliate links are, then cloaking your affiliate link is actually useless again, because those ppl do know that if theyd want to, they could easily get a a huge discount on their purchase (even if the website is designed like goog-assassin or goog-payload where the page doesnt necessarily have a shouting link at bottom (or even top) reading "affiliates make money here").
    So all you could do with them is do what actually even the superaffiliates do: promise to give them something in return for going through your link. Im sure you know about this technique. Like I said, the superaffiliates do this too: Kabita does it, the rich jerk does it, cody moya does it and you sould do it too.
    Ive seen some dumbass offering a money discount, but thats not what you should offer because you cant possibly offer more money back then the lead could get if hed go through his own link, getting back the entire sales commission.
    And dont offer them something that costs money or is tangible either. You gotta offer them something that costs virtually nothing to make or deliver. You gotta offer them information, but that information has gotta be good. Its gotta be worth more then the money they could upon decision get back as a self-refund. Actually it doesnt even have to worth more then that. In the end, the real important thing to have done is not give something thats worth more then the possible sales-commission, but give something that lead beleives is worth more then the sales commission. Then if the lead wants to buy the product your selling, and beleives that what they could get as a bonus is worth more then the possible money-back, they will purchase through your affiliate link. And they will do that by their individual want and decision.

    A good tactic that I saw on useing this technique was at review-page I found a while a go ( and dont ask me which one, because I cant remember : there are just soooo many of these out today, and all of them are the same). And what it did was this:
    It was a reveiw of keyword elite, and it divided the review into 2 parts: the pros and cons of the software. Of course, as a whole, the review was definately a big positive, the cons were thought-out/not too significant and the point was to convine you to buy, but what the reviewer did was this:
    He gave out the pros first (to get your mouth drooling about how good it was), mentioned a few suposed cons related with the product - and then said "but I found the solution to this problem" (and he added this to each of the problems), hastily mentioning "check out below for my solution".
    What was the solution? He offered to give you a bunch of addional e-books or software if you bought keyword elite through his link, all which would throughly complete the product as then being whole. Thus if you bought keyword elite through his affiliate link, the purchase and product would be "perfect" (I mean, after you bought from him, you got all the problems weeded out, right? : ) )
    Not bad for the reviewer, seemingly as keywordelite gives up around a $100 commisson for each sale upfront and an additional $40-50 a month after that.
    Thats a very good tactic that I found there.

    So I hope I helped you with your little affiliatelink cloaking problem.

    (oh, and a little boost to my rep would be appreciated too : ) )
     
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  4. oraclenet

    oraclenet Newbie

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    rep given WhiteAl. cheers for that. didn't think I was ever going to get a reply to that post!
    btw do you still use adwords and clickbank, or have you moved onto the review sites method? what do you think about copying the merchants sales page and uploading it onto your own host, to improve adwords quality score. its the only thing i can think of to avoid the low quality score. i've got a reseller hosting account now so hotsing is no longer an issue
     
  5. oraclenet

    oraclenet Newbie

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    just wrote a reply and went to edit it after and it disappeared. just testing now as it probably need reviews. anyway rep given mate. cheers
     
  6. pdaguy9

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    I wouldn't put him in the same category as RJ. Not even a super affiliate.
     
  7. artswerdstone

    artswerdstone Power Member

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    There are several scripts to protect your affiliate link. But none of them will stop a 10 years old kid to use his preferred affiliate link, if he wants to. When he'll find out the seller's site, he can clear his cookies and cache, then revisit the site using his own affiliate link.

    That's why I suggest you the best way to protect your affiliate commission is to make your own squeeze page and make an irresistible offer:
    if anybody buys through you affiliate link and will e-mail you the proof of payment, then you will send them some goodies for free of charge, such as a pack of high quality templates, or a bunch of PLR products, or some otherwise not available special tutorial about using the product etc.

    Or offer a $1000 value laptop loaded with good programs and 50 GB of PLR products (that no one can purchase from any shop) for one of a limited number of only 500 customers, who will write the best testimonial about the product. This incentive will cost you only $2 per customer and will bring you 500 customers and 500 testimonials (otherwise you don't have to give out the prize). You will buy the laptop only after you'll have the first 250 sales. If you're going to get at lest $9 net per sale, then you'll profit 500 x $7 = $35,000 profit from such an incentivised promotion.

    That who doesn't want to get your loaded laptop can miss to use your affiliate link.
     
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  8. oraclenet

    oraclenet Newbie

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    thanks mate. some great advice there
     
  9. artswerdstone

    artswerdstone Power Member

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    Hi Oraclenet,

    Thanks for your acknowledgment. But, why did you hit the negative reputation button for it? (Red arrow downwards.) I was really surprised.
    Did you like the post or not? Which of your votes should I consider as your real feedback?

    I am asking because your opinion is important for me.
     
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  10. oraclenet

    oraclenet Newbie

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    Hi mate. i'm really sorry if did that. It was mistake. I thought I'd hit the green positive button, well I'm almost certain I did. Maybe a moderator can change this for me, as it won't let me give you positive now, as I haven't spread it around enough yet.
     
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  11. artswerdstone

    artswerdstone Power Member

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    No problem, Oraclenet. You are clicking too fast. I wish I had such visitors on my PPC pages.
    ;)
     
  12. jackass69

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    The one thing that people are forgetting about with uncloaked affiliate links is that spyware can steal your credit. I'd suggest doing a little php redirect script of your own. You could name it go.php or something really short and simple. Or name it thewebsiteyouwanttovisit.php.

    How you ask?

    Code:
    <?php
    header( 'Location: h**p://w*w.yoursite.***/new_page.html' ) ;
    ?>
    
    Anyone can do that. Problem solved.

    (If if gives you trouble, it is probably because you put code that outputs something or whitespace before the header command.)
     
  13. oraclenet

    oraclenet Newbie

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    New question:

    If you had a website ranked number 1 in google for some very lucrative keywords, which receives about 500 unique visits a day and offers some rubbish product for $10 dollars (which you have just found for free somewhere), which everyone buys because it is so cheap and the sales copy is pretty good and generates between $75 and $400 a day...

    ... what would you do if you found a similar (much better and higher priced) product on clickbank with a very high quality score and decided you would like to try promoting that product instead as the commission is approx 3 times greater, using only natural traffic?

    How would you keep your search engine rankings. Would you use a frame redirect to the clickbank site, and place all of your own website content into the no frames tag?

    Would you just create a review site? (Don't really want to do this though until I know that the clickbank site will earn me more)

    Or would you use cloaking to show visitors the clickbank site and Google your own site? If so, how do you do this?

    looking forward to the replys
     
  14. lazarusledd

    lazarusledd Registered Member

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    That's that I'd like to know, I'm completely out of knowledge regards using frames and cloaking site? How can someone show visitor one site and in the same time show other to google...?
     
  15. Website

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    this shit don't convert
     
  16. logan123

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    I really havn't tried aff marketing and I wanted to do the same thing
    compie AdSense with ClickBank
    I have two question and its
    1. should I even try it?
    2. Is there a better combintion then AdSense+ClickBack?
    (After reading some stuff I thought that 2 tier like goclick.com would be better than adsense)
     
  17. artswerdstone

    artswerdstone Power Member

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    If you are going to use both systems, just don't mix them.

    Make separate pages for your ClickBank offers without any AdSense on them. Leave nothing to distract your web page visitors but your affiliate links. With ClickBank you have the purpose to get clicks on your affiliate links.

    Use AdSense on pages where you don't care about where your visitor clicks. Read thoroughly AdSense help pages to know what you are doing.