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classic black hat easy incentive method...that will last a little while

Discussion in 'CPA' started by mattjay, Oct 9, 2009.

  1. mattjay

    mattjay Junior Member

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    Lately I am getting alot of pms due to my "i got banned from hydra and i'm scared" thread asking me what i was doing for incentives to make cash with cpa. My method is extremely easy to do and requries little money, though it has it's drawbacks. Put simply I got banned because i got greedy and stupid, if i would have done it the following way most likely i would have remained in the network for much longer.
    Here is the method, in a nutshell.
    You need a few things for this method to make it usefull:
    1. a good reliable craigslist jobs section poster
    2. a good cheap source of reliable USA NON-ADULT junk traffic
    3. a paypal account to pay your workers you get from craigslist
    4. depending on how much money you want to make, a number of CPA network accounts

    First to get into the networks, i reccomend a good informational website. something easy that provides information, isn't promoting anything for sale directly, although sometime a few banner ads will make it look better. you want it to be in a niche and provide information with a couple pages, a contact us form, a privacy policy, etc. When you apply have a good domain specific email address to look better as well. When you get the phone call, tell them you use a number of different methods including banner, search, email, ppc, and other media buys. I have an insurance site that i use for the networks when i did this method, so i told them i did insurance, edu and gold offers well.
    The type of offer you will run is best in these categories, since it is simply requests for something instead of a sale, i.e. school informatin, insurance quote, gold pack request. These offers usually pay pretty well. I had a edu offer that paid $45 i ran the hell out of, most pay 28-35. gold packs i had one i raped that paid $18, insurance offers vary. I would stick with these.
    Find a good craigslist poster. Post something like "easy online data entry work, paid for each form completed. easy very part time work" blah blah blah. you can find good jobs section posters here at bhw. post like 30 ads to start in high traffic areas and this should give you all the people you need at first.
    I'm telling you right now, people will gladly take $1-3 by paypal for completing a form that takes them 3 minutes or so. you keep all the rest.
    Now you will need junk traffic and here's the trick: keep the conversion on the offer you're running to people around less than 2%, and then throw junk traffic at 4 or 5 other offers to make it look like you have 1 winner and 4 or 5 losers. This looks better. Mix up the losers month to month as to not bring attention to your account. REMEMBER ONLY DO ONE OFFER PER NETWORK that you send to people to complete. Also, I reccomend not starting out making 5k your first month per network. Start out small less than a thousand, and then build it gradually. If you have 500 on 20 networks you're killing it. No need to start out drawing attention to your self. remember to keep the proportion of conversions to traffic around the same but vary it slightly. i.e. if you make 4k one month remember to have the shit traffic to back that. don't have a month where suddenly you're converting at 10% or some shit.
    This method can make you thousands of dollars. The drawback is once the advertiser bitches (and they will bitch) that your quality is poor, you will be removed from the offer. Then you run another one. and another. Eventually they will get tired of your poor traffic and you will be gone, so you can use this method to make a lot of cash but the end result is you will be banned eventually. Just a heads up. Use at your own risk.
    Finally, I have been banned from 2 networks. One of them i made $10k at and one $1k at. i was really scared when this happned, but nothing happened. i quit blackhat cpa myself, including the other methods i used. but it does work to put some cash in your pocket when you need it. :D
    hope this helps some people out looking to make some quick cash :_)
    mattjay
     
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  2. silntrunin

    silntrunin Registered Member

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    Appreciate the detailed post. I think if you use junk traffic and spread the love around a bunch of networks this could last a while. But you never know.
    Hell I'm running an offer on a WH site totally on the up and up and was killing it and all of a sudden my conversions took a nose dive. Within a couple of days my AM calls me and ask whats up and why the drop in traffic. Not worried as all the traffic was totally WH but just goes to show that they do pickup on patterns so like you said keep it low key and be consistent with traffic and CTR and you should stay under the radar.

    silntrunin
     
  3. mattjay

    mattjay Junior Member

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    yeah especially when you start earning they have their eye on you, for sure when you start killing it. then they tend to scrutinize every little thing. I wondered sometimes if they took the initiative and contacted the advertisers about my traffic after a while when i started getting denied offers. Like i said tho, the reason i got banned was giving multiple offers on the same network to one person. it was rather cocky of me to think i could simply explain it away. I could not. and i suffered for it lol. so bottom line don't get greedy. Who knows how many networks there are to use this on, but eventually the method will run dry. You can make quite a little bit before they do though.
     
  4. tygrus

    tygrus Supreme Member

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    Fraud my friend. Thats gonna eventually kill CPA for good.
     
  5. Man-Rae

    Man-Rae Registered Member

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    Well you cant hate the player. Hate the game. Cpa's will be around for a very long time.
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  6. mattjay

    mattjay Junior Member

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    well tygrus if you follow my threads at all you will see that i am white hat all the way now, however i'm getting lots and lots of pms from my post about getting banned in hydra back in june. so since i quit blackhat, and the messages keep coming, i thought i'd pass this along to those that express interest. i think the general idea with black hat is to make some quick short term cash and produce white hat camapaigns out of them, it's what i did. this is after all black hat world, so i figured i would throw this method out there for those that need some quick cash.it's really just the result of multiple PMs that i recieved from my previous thread, i guess i shouldv'e put something in there about "i don't condone this" or "use at your own risk".
    i appologize if i've offended you. I agree with man though, i think cpa isn't going anywhere anytime soon. there's too much money involved.
     
  7. mattjay

    mattjay Junior Member

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    i can't stress enough to use this method at your own risk. it will do the job in the short term but eventually you WILL get banned if you wear it out. there are offers that allow for incentives if you want to do it the right way. However they pay nowhere near the amount that the offers i ran pay. bottom line you will run out of offers and networks eventually. best to go white hat i've found. more long term sustainable income ;)
     
  8. MikeHustle

    MikeHustle Power Member

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    Nice instructional!!!