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Churn and burn: How long to see results?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by SalieriJazz, Apr 2, 2014.

  1. SalieriJazz

    SalieriJazz Regular Member

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    Well, long story short, I made a few tumblrs, blasted them with GSA, around 15k links each (from unique domains too), drip-feeded them on InstantLinkIndexer over a period of 3 days (some niches over 5 days).

    Forgot to say, I did all these things around 7 days ago.

    After the first 2 days, google started to see my keywords for every niche, but they are dancing a lot, between serp 40-80, sometimes they get out of serp too, I'll give you one example for a niche.

    Yesterday
    kw1: 71
    kw2: 63
    kw3: 74
    kw4: NTH

    Today:
    kw1: 74
    kw2: NTH
    kw3: NTH
    kw4: 56

    Is that alright? This is day 7. What should I do? Wait until it ranks, if it does ...? Usually how long it takes for you guys to see the results?
    Also, you see a lot of dancing like I do?

    Thanks fellas!
     
  2. ShotsFired

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    Hello :)

    That's a bit low IMO.

    To make sure I understand you correctly: you're blasting each tumblr with 15,000 unique domains?

    If that's right, can I assume that you're using a very broad submission engine selection (I can't imagine them all being articles, social networks, etc)? If that's the case, I'd recommend going for a higher quality selection of submission engines to split test your current method.

    Also: Are you tracking the metrics for these sites? You may well have 15,000 uniques, but what % of these are d/follow? What's the trust and citation flow of these pages like? What % of targeted anchor text links have you actually come out with in the end?

    If you can give me an idea of this (even if you don't want to, that's cool) I'd be able to better advise you on what you're doing. Heck, you'll probably realize it yourself when you run an analysis.

    :)
     
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    I've found churn and burn a bit of a dice roll. But often when one my CB sites don't rank top at first I am usually able to to bring up gradually (depending on the link structure).
     
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    More links man, keep burning till there ain't no more fire left.

    Link velocity must be maintained.

    FPS
     
  5. SalieriJazz

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    1. Yes, I have a broad submission engine selection (analyzed a bit my top competitors and they are doing the same!!! lots of platforms)

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    2. About anchor texts percentage and ratio between the links, here: http://i.gyazo.com/c18bff065284bfede5fe2d25f91ccf4b.png

    About trust and citation flow, I don't know really ...
     
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  6. ShotsFired

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    Hey :)

    I'd recommend stripping your SES down to articles, microblogs, wikis and Web 2.0s - that's my personal opinion/suggestion (you can include social networks/bookmarks too). I typically land on the top of page two or bottom of page one doing this (and my position increases gradually for the remainder of that week) - my only problem with this is that I haven't been able to grow my target list size; so I limit my position by not being able to post to newer URDS.

    Obviously, you'll get a lower number of total Unique Referring Domains, but your anchor text %, d/follow % and trust/citation flow should be a lot stronger as a result.

    I think the anchor text % here is crucial - how many (or what % rather) of your links have targeted anchor text? (IMO you need to know this + dfollow - though based on the screenie you sent I'd say your d/follow looks OK).

    If you can find this out, it'll reveal a lot to you about your project/s. It's definitely worthwhile to perform a similar analysis of your competitors (find out what % of targeted anchor text they're achieving).

    Also, bare in mind that they could have a verified list that they post with - they will have filtered this list over an extended period of time to only include targeted anchor text, d/follow and high quality engines.

    NB: Your screenshot is showing the total number of links that GSA is displaying - are you getting all of these links indexed? Amazing if so, if not, check your indexation vs. your competitors; they'll obviously end up higher if they get more of their links indexed.

    :)
     
  7. R Reyna

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    I'm seeing this word lot of times .. What really is churn and burn?
     
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    I hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong. It seems these guys are doing so much link building that Google at the beginning will rank the webiste maybe at No. 1 but after some time (short period of time) Google will simply dindex the site and it won't get ranked again.

    Am I right?
     
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    are you trying to rank payday loan ?
     
  10. Groen

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    In my opinion you've not build enough links. I would not care about unique domains and simply post over and over again to the same sites, I would be aggressive with the money anchors, I would not have drip fed indexing ever, and I would also not care about platforms like you did. My projects usually appears in top 20 after about a week and then continues climbing, but sometimes it's hit or miss.
     
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    Building a money site that will appear (with the aims of appearing in top 3 ideally) very quickly and then disappear quickly due to penalization from G.

    You take as much revenue as you can from this site before G catches on. You then repeat the process again with a new domain.
     
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    Not always at number one, but ideally in the top 3. And yep, the site will get penalized/de-indexed once they cotton on.
     
  13. ShotsFired

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    IMO you can't say whether he's built enough or not without seeing how many links he actually got indexed.

    1. Could you share your reasoning for not caring about the total number of URDS?
    2. Agree with not posting to the same domain over and over.

    But then you say:

    If you're burning all links and landing off page one I'd personally call that an unsuccessful (at least that's my mindset) test as I doubt you'd get any conversions on P2. You can't tell somebody what to do differently based on what 'sometimes' happens when you do a project.

    :)
     
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    Churn and Burn is the art of doing the helicopter with your genitals and then experiencing friction burns afterwards.
     
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  15. SalieriJazz

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    I checked out my churn&burn site with ahrefs, it says 7,300 backlinks, 1,300 reffering domains. The hell? But GSA said something else.

    How else should I check how many of my backlinks are indexed?
     
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    GSA SER can check indexed links, but I prefer to export my verified links to Scrapebox.

     
  17. Groen

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    Of course it depends on the competition, but I'd usually not consider 15k links enough even if all of them were indexed.

    1. Sure man, my aim is to build as many backlink as possible while not caring about where they come from. Posting to the same domain multiple times allows me to create even more backlinks. It might have less effect to have multiple backlinks from the same domain, but until someone actually proves it to me, it will remain a rumor to me. I might test it for myself in the future, but I have no wish to do so now, because my strategy works.
    2. I'm not really sure what you are saying here. I don't agree that it's a bad idea to post to the same domain again and again.

    Uhm, I think you've never done churn and burn yourself. At least if you have, I'd like to know how you are ranking in the top of the serps as soon as your website appears in the serps. However you might have missed the part where I said that my sites will continue climbing. It might take a few weeks to reach #1 or even a month, but a few of my sites just never makes it into the top 3. I believe that's because I've simply not built enough links.

    (Insert happy smiley here)
     
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  18. ShotsFired

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    Hey man :)

    Welcome to a more enlightened world! I also use Ahrefs to check my indexation and total number of URDS.

    It took me some time to figure this out, but the chances of you being able to index the amount you claimed would be very, very powerful indeed. During the indexation process some of your b-links will die, some will fall off front pages, some will get moved to new pages, moderators will delete spam comments etc - well you get the picture.
     
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    In short, try to figure out what % of your links are actually getting indexed and grow your list size to suit :)
     
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    Fair enough, it would seem that I'm not privy to such a large list...kinda' envious, but as I said, fair.