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[Casestudy] Wiki links - Dripping, Velocity, Diversity

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by unzero, Oct 20, 2012.

  1. unzero

    unzero Junior Member

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    What's up everybody? Whats cooking? We (my seo team) decided to give a closer look at the notorious wiki links. As you may already know, those links have been very popular in the SEO community for nearly a two years now. Especially in the Blackhat Market section, those links are now being part of most of the link building packages. With the demand, a lot of software has been coded for this specific purpose, software which allows you to submit to thousands of Wiki directories within minutes.

    Unfortunately, most of the content which is published there is auto-spun copy-paste from the Ezine articles and from other relevant article directories. Nevertheless, we decided to see if those links work, how well they work and actually try to see for how long. One more interesting factor is that the Wiki links are mostly no-follow, so that will spice it up a bit. As we are thinking of having another case study based on that. We built a website which offers a particular service specifically for this casestudy. The niche isn't anything extreme, but there are some pretty strong keywords in the list.

    Before we start I have to mention that there is no intetion of actually selling this service to BHW. The domain was brought out if somebody really wants to verify the results. Thanks :)




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    Details of the Wiki links Case study



    • We took a list of 10000 Wiki directories (pretty massive eh?) PR0-PR7
    • 3 Articles - Content manually spun by writers on the sentence, phrase and word level (readable, decent quality content)
    • Post to 300-500 Wiki directories per day for 60 days
    • Use Linklicious to signal the Google about the links
    • Software - Clyde's Wiki Bomber

    Website to be ranked - SpeedyWP . com




    • Registred on 13.07.2012
    • PageRank n/a
    • 0 backlinks
    • ~10-20 pages on content
    • On-site optimized
    • Speed optimized

    Measuring Period/Reporting




    • We will make updates on this post in every 5 days.
    • Period of rank measuring 60 days
    • Software - Advanced Web Rankings

    Keywords


    • wp speed optimization
    • speed up wordpress
    • fast wp
    • increase wordpress speed
    • fast wordpress
    • wordpress speed optimization
    • speeding up wordpress
    • wordpress speed up
    • increase wp speed
    • speed up wp
    • wp speed up
    • speeding up wp
    • wordpress speed service
    • speedy wp
    • wp speed service

    Anchors diversified
    Domain/Subpage links ratio - 70% - 30%

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    Start - 17th August - click here to download the ranking report


    Report file attached. As you can see, we started from scratch. The weren't any ranks previously established. Good luck to us!








    Report 1 - 22nd August - click here to download the ranking report


    So 5 days later, first results are in. It is a bit early to tell if the wiki links actually contributed to the ranks or they are mainly based on the on-site optimization what has been done on the website. Nevertheless, we can safely assume that indexing took place thanks to Wiki links.








    Report 2 - 27th August - click here to download the ranking report


    Now 5 days have passed. It seems that the first bump has passed and we have a slight decrease, which is quite obvious. Quick growth is often followed by a slowdown. However, now we are soon going to see if the wiki links actually work or not.






    Report 3 - 1st of September - click here to download the ranking report


    This time we see a lot of improvement in the rankings. Looking quite good already. However, when we consider the traffic, there is still nothing really going on on the website yet.






    Report 4 - 6th of September - click here to download the ranking report


    We are seeing a slow but steady growth for most of the keywords. Some are still jumping up and down to find their place. Now we will make a small change in the tactics and start linking also to subpages.




    Report 5 - 11th of September - click here to download the ranking report


    Time for the next update. Now we are seeing a slight decrease in the rankings. Perhaps over delivery in links? Perhaps a Google update? Perhaps something else? We'll check the reports in the coming days too, to get more information on the causes. We are seeing a small drop in some of our other sites as well, so it could very well be an update.
    It is hardly unlikely that the fluctuation is cause by another Google update, neither we do believe that we built way too many way too fast. I would really like to use term "Google Dance" here and believe that this is a temporary drop, but only thing here is left to wait and see.


    Report 6 - Scheduled on 16th of September - click here to download the ranking report


    Compared with the previous rank check we see mainly a quite decent incline. From the total of 15 keywords which we are targeting with this campaign, we see that 7 of them have jumped quite a bit and 5 of them had had a slight drop. Those two keywords which are showing off the charts are the fault of the AWR. Even though, the jump has been positive, we are not seeing any visitors from Search Engines. What we also noticed is that the jumps are getting smaller and smaller, so we might be near the platue. We have still couple of rounds to go to wrap up this case study and we would like to believe that we end up in top 10 with at least 5 keywords.

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    Report 7 - Scheduled on 21th of September - click here to download the ranking report


    When we saw the previous report coming in, I was honestly assuming that we ran out of juice and from this point onward we will be seeing either few minor increases or a smooth downfall. As we see from this report, I was wrong, a nice jump for Report 7. That means that the previous keywords which dropped were dancing a little bit but improved their positions. My plan of landing at least 4-5 keywords on top1 is yet achievable. Which I'm curious about is that the some of the keyword haven't yet had the jumped not even to top 50 - wordpress speed optimization, speed up wordpress, speed up wordpress.
    Now we're going to add a twist to the case study, I'll include 500 words of content to the first page and SEO it a little bit. Perhaps, get some content for the subpages as well.

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    Report 8 - Scheduled on 26th of September - click here to download the ranking report


    This rank check comes with some unpleasant surprises. We are seeing many drops, fortunately very minor. This leads me to believe that those rank drops are a small scale Google dance. Nevertheless we were expecting a lot more from this one. We decided to extend the case study a while longer because this project hasn't yet reached its full potential and we're seeing it can rank much higher that it is right now. Good news are that some of the keywords still bumped up a little. But can this be the start of the fall?

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    Report 9 - Scheduled on 1st of October - click here to download the ranking report

    Wowii, seems like we had a big kick this week. Now, we're fairly confident that this bump didn't come from the wiki links, but rather the content which we added to the front. It was in that sense a very tiny tweak to the on-site optimization but ranks improved significantly. We can conclude from this event that with a good on-site and just linking from wikis you can get quite a good bump.

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    Report 10 - Scheduled on 7nth of October - click here to download the ranking report

    Seems like our growth somewhat continues and we see some dancing. "Fast Wordpress" wins the best dance award this week. There are tiny drops on some of the keywords but we also see significant jumps. Indication that the game is far from over and wiki links are bringing it. For next week I'm going to order an additional article and start from very beginning with fresh stuff, increasing the velocity a little.

    Even though the results are not very impressive, keep in mind that this has only been done with using only Wiki links directly to the domain. No buffer sites, no web 2.0s, no profile links, no blog commenting, no high pr links from news site, no press leases, no social bookmarking, no docs, no pdf links, no article directory links, no directory links.

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    Report 10 - Scheduled on 14nth of October - click here to download the ranking report

    Codename: Downfall. That unfortunately folks look very bad. A bit too much to be a Google dance, a bit less to be a penalty. My thoery is that we've reached the end of the line with effectivness of the Wiki links. My obvious problem is also now the diversity. I've been through the list already so having a second run with the same urls. I burn it through the list and give it few more weeks, but I guess its better to start wrapping up this study and call it a day with wiki links.
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    Report 11 - Scheduled on 20th of October - click here to download the ranking report

    Codename: Resurrection. Wow, seems like the game is still on. We had some come backs, some rises and few keywords entered into Google dance. Does that mean that the top of these links power haven't yet been met? I'd really interested to know where is the limit. That's the second time when it seems that now its only direction is down from this point but I've been wrong two times. We'll keep it up and I'm not going to jump to conclusions when the next drop will happen.

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    Stay tuned for more updates to come!
     
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  2. lover

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    Are you only building wiki links to site?

    You building all links to home page? If not, then what % of links points to internal pages?

    Will be following this thread now.
     
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    The Last link seems to be broken, very interesting if the movement on the SERP's is only through WIKI links.
     
  4. unzero

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    70% are going to domain and 30% to internal pages. The latest build I've pushed more like 50/50 domain/internal.

    Yes, 100% Wiki links without any buffers or Tiers, directly blasted.
     
  5. DiooDi

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    this last detail with the whole case study made probably one of the best case studies so far this year. This case study also show a little bit about no follow because even 99% of the wiki links being no follow the ones who are do doesnt last longer, the admin change it or the website go down due to massive spam lol
     
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    This will be a good case study, mostly we use those links to boost up the first tier links, this case study will showcase some more importance of those links.

    Keep us updated
     
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    Looking forward to it, I usually don't use too many for a 1st tier but I haven't tested it yet. Was going to be one of my tests so this is good.
     
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    good case study. wiki + social bookmarking would be another very interesting journey to follow. I'll be waiting for such strategy. Thanks given.
     
  9. ThopHayt

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    Just as I've been saying for months, wiki's are dead.

    And to those who say wiki's are still good for t2 linking I'd ask you why if they poison a t1 that you should expect ANYTHING better in a t2...
     
  10. Expertpeon

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    I've tried wikis at tier 3 and tier 2, and in neither case did they cause anything positive (in fact, they appeared to have caused two sites to die during an update while I was running my tools I've built on them for the first time, which never happens).

    Not absolute proof of their damage though.
     
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    Yes, most of the times the don't have much weight(if you don't have a private list) because they are already spammed to death. But I would recommend scraping your own lists and then you will see some kind of effect.
     
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    Hello, I am really interested how your rankins look like now, could you please update it thank you.
     
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    subscribed and wiki links with lot of anchor diversity really works also make sure that the article you use for wikis are good and don't just blast with 1 url :)
     
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    Honestly, do people NOT scrape their own lists? My wiki list has about 10,000 domains that it successfully posts on when I run it, as I've probably scraped and used every last wiki site there is at this point.
    I scraped using hundreds of footprints and keywords for several days when I originally generated it.
     
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    interesting case study . Keep them coming I am curious.
     
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  17. unzero

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    Report 12 - Scheduled on 20th of October - click here to download the ranking report

    Compared with the last update we have mostly drops. As it seems this is becoming normal, one week you will get a boost and the other week you will drop slightly. The interesting two are the main keywords "wp speed optimization" and "fast wp" which are Google dancing heavily all the time, while the others are very stable. Both of the keywords have been ranking in Top 20. Best for "fast wp" was 19 and best for "wp speed optmization" was 11. I'm really hoping that the fast wp will come around since it has the most traffic.

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    Most of you guys are saying that Wikis are only good for Tier 2 and Tier 3. I can't really agree with this. I think if you use your own scraped list, use quality spun articles (no auto spinning) which actually look and feel real and post on 50-100 websites per day and slightly increasing it over time. This way I think the wiki links are a fantastic addition to the link portfolio. Velocity, Diversity and Authority. But if you're planning to do 10 000 per day without link sorting and using auto generated spun content then Tier 2 and even more Tier 3 are safe bets.

    For quality blasting don't forget to also diversify your urls + anchors


     
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  18. psytrance

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    wikis are not dead, YOUR wikis are dead....

    good wiki (authority and do follow) are good source of backlinks.

     
  19. psytrance

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    OP, u started blasting ur site in august and yet there is ANY backlink in ahrefs... u are doing something wrong for sure.
     
  20. davie9x

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    Wow, you're blasting wiki links every day to your money site and you have now those rankings?