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Can you REALLY get penalized for too many links too fast?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by AboutBizz, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. AboutBizz

    AboutBizz Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I was going thru the Com*mission Ri*tual course and noticed in his link building chapter he says not to build links too fast... however I've never seen that to be an issue. He states doing Web 2.0 links, with hub linking, and commenting (using Comment Luv/Keyword Luv) can get you in a sandbox or worse

    What do you think?
     
  2. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    We'll soon find out the answer. In the past 48 hours I threw all my best high powered backlinks at my new site, precisely to answer this question once and for all.

    I've added 5 x PR7, 15 x PR6 and 22 x PR5, many of them .gov and .edu - I will let you know what happens!
     
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  3. Torque09

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    Hi Micallef

    Well, would be interesting to see if this's a WH myth or this's true? Let us know how it is going.

    Good luck mate.
     
  4. TheBHCat

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    I'm curious about this question as well. Over the last couple of months I've been starting to get into some (quasi) white hat websites and have had days where 100 backlinks have popped up when I check on backlinkwatch... which no apparent negative affect. They were mostly all from blog commenting with a little bit of forum posting here and there.

    I'm thinking that perhaps the "too many backlink myth" is much more applicable to something like xrumer where you get thousands upon thousand of links in a day?
     
  5. herron

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    If you want to test it properly then you need 2 pages on 2 different domains using the same content. The domains need to be the same age, same location, and the rest of the site must also be the same. To really test it the only variation can be the rate the links are built. Anchor text must also be identical. Slowly build the links to one site and blast the other site. The links for each site must be identical.

    A lot of people jump to conclusions with their linking building because of the variation google puts on the rankings of new sites. You read it on here all the time about people thinking they have be penalised for different actions but in reality the site was not in a stable position to start with. I am pretty anal about checking my serps and a site can go from <10 to >100 over night and back down to <10 in another day or so. It takes a couple of months before you get any sort of stable position.
     
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    yea it happened to me once
     
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    For sure it happened to me and the domain never came back until today.
     
  8. AboutBizz

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    I think the litmus test on this might be how g00gle views the link -- are they more of a quality, authority site?
    @Micallef how long do you give your test to quantify results?

    Personally, I've not had it happened, but then again I went for quality
     
  9. Micallef

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    Well as it's a new site I will expect to wait 3 weeks minimum to get a good idea of how it's ranking.

    My general strategy is to only use my best, clean links with little/no other spam present. I am hoping the authority and powerful PR of the backlinks will shine through any potential penalties. Plus, I found another 10 PR7s today so i'll hit it with those tomorrow!

    I generally make posts about the results of all my experiments so keep your eyes open.
     
  10. menj1980

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    A lot of people have been swearing that this is true but there is certainly no real way to be sure.
     
  11. Eglobalmoguls

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    its like a lottery. I have always built links like they are going out of style. Not as fast as i can but 10 times faster then what most guru's recomend. 85 percent of those sites do well.

    If i had a hundred sites and build 5 links a day. I would not be where i am today.


    SO you win some and lose some.. I build mininum 75 links a day each site. What you do is up to you. Although i build faster for more aged sites...

    Some links or based on duplicate content .. FYI
     
  12. mazgalici

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    Yes it happen to me twice
     
  13. Italian Hawk

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    I don't think so. I mean if you build them at a hugely impractical rate. They don't sandbox things just because they suddenly go viral and start getting links.
     
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    This a question that has been asked many times before and has many different answers from different people.

    I have found that you can throw as many links as you want at a site, but eventually their rankings may start to drop a little bit in Google. It all depends on the type of promotion you are doing.

    If you are going for some quick affiliate commissions and want to rank extremely fast, then go ahead and go to town on your linking. If it's more of a long-term site that you want to become an authority site, then you will want to space out your linking strategy.

    With that said, there are a few things that I recommend you do to help keep your rankings lasting much longer(even for short-term type linking strategies):

    1. Use proxies
    2. Use multiple accounts
    3. Vary your anchor texts(even add in a few "click here" or "here type anchor links)
    4. Use many different types of backlinking. Articles, video, comments, forums, social bookmarking, web 2.0....etc.


    Doing the above will make your linking look more natural and not like a blatent promotion.

    I do this all the time, and even most of my short term affiliate promotions last very long. Sure, I've had a few sites drop ranking or get deleted/locked, but who cares. Compared to the amount of links I can get, it doesn't really have any effect. Besides, I will just make more.:p
     
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  15. GTP_Smile

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    imho something is missing here. how often do you ping? and you keep sources the same? you ping constantly:Eyecrazy:..
     
  16. freller

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    I'll be amazed if this gives you any negative effects.

    On the other hand, try a mass submission through ArticleMarketer to a new site. That'll get you sandboxed - guaranteed!
     
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    It might sandbox you for a few weeks but after that they'll only help you
     
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    HOw are you able to throw so many back links, especially if they are .gov and .edu?
     
  19. stevesdata

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    I have read so many different things on this here:

    Some ppl have said 20 - 50 backlinks max a day (or even lower) there was another figure I read that was to keep under 20K per 6 months.

    I think you have to diversify the links a lot and go quality not quantity. I dont understand how this is a problem if you arent spamming or publishing garbage. For example if you went wild with good articles, forum posting, directory submission, RSS submissions with good content, blog commenting with meaningful comments and dont go too nuts with social bookmarking etc. I dont see how this could have a negative effect.

    I am still learning anyhow but very interested in how this turns out.

    There is also stuff like the 30 minute backlinks trick with PAD submissions that some experienced members here swear by which can create hundreds of high PR links. I believe this is also considered white hat although used for black hat site launches by ppl here.

    :)
     
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  20. AboutBizz

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    my guess is he's automated pinging with a macro or something similar. I've heard of ppl pinging their site every three hours...I'm sure it was done using a macro driven proxy loading process.

    Anyone care to share ;)