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Can you rank Youtube videos in Google serps with no page 1 videos?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ryannull, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. ryannull

    ryannull Senior Member

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    Before I ask my question, I want to clarify this is about ranking a Youtube video in Google's serps, not Youtubes.

    Now, we are clear on that.

    I am trying to rank a Youtube video on Google's serps, but I can't get the video to budge. I have been building quality backlinks from the BST. I read somewhere that if Google does NOT have any videos on the front page for a particular keyword, you won't be able to rank Youtube videos there, no matter how many backlinks you get. From what I understand that Google reserves a certain section on page 1, IF, having videos make sense for the keywords.

    Can anyone confirm or deny this happens?

    Has anyone got a Youtube video on page 1 for a keyword without any videos present?
     
  2. hardcorebiker

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    I heard about this for the first time and I dont think thats true. If there are no youtube videos on the first page then it means the first page is filled with authority sites and competitive i guess and it can also mean the competition is nil. But you can rank your video there just by doing continuous backlinking. Since when are you working on the video is it ranked anywhere in top 100?
     
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    Untrue, complete urban legend that happens sometimes.

    It will rank easier if it's embedded on a few pages that are contextual for that particular keyword. Submit a video sitemap on these various sites/Web 2.0s etc, submit your video to a few relevant places like Tumblr (using the almighty [site:tumblr.com inurl:"submit" keyword]footprint) and track your progress. You might have to be more aggressive in your embedded posts and backlink them softly with wikis or bookmarks,, but the beauty of this is that you can monopolize multiple spaces on page 1 if competition is soft, maximising ct %.
     
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    @Dubious Thanks for those precious tips ..
     
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  5. ryannull

    ryannull Senior Member

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    Actually most of the front page for my targeted keywords are low quality emd with less than a 100 or so backlinks. It should be cake to steal front page, but no videos are to be found ANYWHERE in the top 20 pages.

    I have only been trying to rank this video for a week or so. The video is optimized well. I am using the keywords twice in the title, in the description with 500+ words and I quoted multiple long tail keywords. It ranks on page 4 on Youtube, but nowhere on Google. I got some bookmarks, but nothing yet. Too early to tell, but with the weak competition, it should atleast see it somewhere in the top 200.
     
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    Oh i get it. You should embed the videos on various Web 2.0s and then backlink both the video and the web 2.0 simultaenously. This way you will be found on Google search. Thats the reason why most of the top youtube videos are not found on google search while others are. So go ahead and embed the video on 15 to 20 web 2.0s or more(Try fiverr for that) and then backlink again and also submit to other video sites and video platform supporting sites.. It should work
     
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  7. dubious

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    Hey, that's what BHW is for ;)
     
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    ryannull Senior Member

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    Yeah, I think that is something I will need to do. I was just going to do bookmarks because of the lack of competition, and see where I end up. I will probably have to do some web 2.0 with spun articles with the video embedded.

    Most of my other videos have videos on the front page of Google, but some don't. So, I was just wondering if that was fact or myth.
     
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    The info about embeding the video in relevant pages is nice. I have a Chanel in youtube that offers some travel videos and it is embeded in one website. Some of the videos are on first google search page
     
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    By any chance, does Google serps have any relation to YouTube's first page at all? I'm on YouTube's first for two keywords (one is 5,400 EM and the other is 1,000) but yet I am nowhere to be found on Google. Is there any correlation to this at all?
     
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    ryannull Senior Member

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    No, they are based on 2 different algos.

    Youtube is based on views, likes, and comments. Youtube wants interaction. Google on the other hand, is like ranking a normal website, onpage seo, social signals and backlinks. Usually, if your Youtube video has been optimized and there's not much competition, you can get away with bookmarks. Heavier competition you will need more quality backlinks.
     
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    all serps that have videos at one point or another didn't have videos on them, so you can certainly rank a video for a serp that doesnt currently have any videos
     
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    I am getting the idea that it is a myth.

    I was just curious, and if anyone else had an issues.
     
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    Complete myth. I have done it several times.
     
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    Agreed, sometimes it takes longer than a week to get it there as well but it can rank
     
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    Great tips
     
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    Great thread. I'm also in the process of trying to rank a YouTube video on first of Google SERP's and this answered a few questions. For my keyword, there are also no YouTube videos on the first page.

    So, I'll see how it goes :).
     
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    Just check "how to win at roulette" kw in Us google. Youtube video is nr 1. I have seen several similar videos ranking nr 1 even for harder KWs.
     
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    Exactly what i needed to make some twists to my new videos ! Thanks for the contributing guys
     
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    with a good niche you can possitionate your video