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Can you imagine, "How do I rank high in Bing" or "How do I get listed in Bing?"

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jon_xx_x, May 5, 2011.

  1. jon_xx_x

    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    How weird will it be if one day Bing is the powerhouse. After years, decades of trying to rank for google, trying to get listed in Google, it might eventually turn into Bing.
    Yahoo & Bing now have 30% of the market and Google has 64.4%. Source

    They have come a long way over the last couple years.
    Plus I read something about smartphones come standard with bing search. Or something along those lines, I might be off.

    Do you think Google will be dethrowned one day? They aren't far from 50%, how disappointing will that be for them if they drop below 50%.
     
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    Well, you never said "just a sec, I'll will Yahoo it".

    Besides becoming a verb (like Photoshop) they work in a lot of different areas:

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Google_products
    It's all up to them. If they continue to develop their projects and keep listening to their users they will continue to be number one. Today the web are more developed with A/B-testing in a way Yahoo and Altavista never had before Google.

    As long as they innovate and take care of their regular visitors no one can touch them.
     
  3. jon_xx_x

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    That's exactly I was gonna say, they are spending too much time and concentrating on other products then the one that made them famous.
     
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    The numbers is only for the US market! But I was impressed when I saw the growing market share for Yahoo/Big. It going to be interesting.

    Of course they are going to loose their position. The question is just what the time frame is. Will it happen within the next few years or in 10+ years.
     
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    A domain that ranks 1 for keyword A in google ranks #34 in bing.
    I think i should start working on bing now :)
     
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    I define Bing and Yahoo as "low hanging fruit". It's relative easy to rank on page one compared to the work it takes to rank on page 1 in google. On my us sites, do I get 40% of my traffic from other search engines than Google.
     
  9. Monrox

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    The timeframe is shorter than 9 years. The patent on ranking websites by counting the links pointing to them expires 2020. After that, the company that can afford more servers (spiders) will take the lead. G's entire financial assets are less than Bill Gates' personal wealth (both approx. $60 bln). MS' company assets are ~$86 bln.

    I read somewhere on this forum a post that G is scared shitless (that's why the updating craze recently) and it sounded pretty logical. They have no real source of revenue other than advertisement but if nobody gets to see the ads, there is no money, as any webmaster knows it all too well. The satellite stuff as android and their upcoming OS have a shot because both are free but I don't see many people paying more for Chorme OS ultimate edition or something like that.

    MS made its money not by offering an easy to use OS but by ensuring backward compatibility and more importantly by catering to programmers giving them (free) ways to make applications. Windows can run almost any programming language from visual basic to C++. This led to games and complicated software to be almost exclusively made for Windows which in turn attracted the users which in turn made it even more profitable to write programs for Windows. I have no idea what language Android is using but I guess it's some crippled Java and nothing more.

    This foundation is very hard to beat with mere $60 Billion. Unix and by extension Linux-based OSes are trying for decades to do it but they can't mostly because of compatibility issues in different sub environments. If you search for "play divx on redhat" you get answers like what is your version, I don't know about redhat but with ubuntu it's very easy, you need to compile -some codec- using the gjdhr switch and not the nvjo switch etc. etc.

    It is also worth mentioning that MS has never been arrogant towards developers, they don't 'ban' or silently uninstall your software because they don't like it like Chrome does. This may sound irrelevant for generic FB home users but it is a big deal for geeks and also for companies with thousands of workstations worried about corporate espionage.

    To get back on topic, if some smart guy finds a better way to rank sites than counting the backlinks, and patents it, he will be the next king of search. If not, we'll have to wait 9 more years to see the new winner.
     
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    Smartest post I have seen on BHW in a long time....
     
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    ^^
    Ill second that. Never thought google could be dethroned until I read that. Didn't realize they had a patent on the link counting part.
     
  12. Monrox

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    Well this is where it get's even more interesting, they don't actually have the patent. It is owned by the Stanford University. The G founders were college students there when they came up with the idea and all students' work is property of the university just like almost every employer owns the intellectual work of his employees by contract. G is granted an exclusive right to use that patent.

    That is why when you simply search for "university", Stanford pops either right above or right below wikipedia on one of the top spots, even if you are using google timbuktu (which would be Mali). The question is, what are the Stanford's shareholders getting from the deal.
     
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    I use google because it is simple and clean. Yahoo has too much crap on the page and bing has those stupid pictures.

    I used to use yahoo back in like '99 but got sick of the pop-up ads, I probably started using google in '01. I remember when lycos, go, and ask jeeves were big players. I think google won because they didn't use intrusive advertising.


    What about baidu, that spider is always on my sites.
     
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    Do you think there probably already is something out there, but not quite marketed? I mean it almosted seemed impossible to even put a dent in Google. Probably no other company in the world could but MS, and that's because of money, and the reach they already have.

    Not only that, but Google has to constantly change because of BH. There may be a better search algorithm or one on the way, but it would only be a matter of time before BHers find a way to cheat it, and it's back to square one.

    As per the patent, I think that's really beside the point, it's obvious Bing is already using some of Google techniques, hence results are really similar in a lot of cases.
     
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    Said it before, and I'll say it again, the Bing traffic is actually has a higher chance of converting, and could well pay dividends latter on when you think about it logically:

    a) way less competition
    b) people so lazy they're using IE and microsofts vanilla search engine
    c) ranks are based on click through, so the earlier you start on it the better you'll rank in future
    d) rapidly gaining market share as google shits in everyone's cereal

    It's just not worth focusing on exclusively (Although if the EU rules that Google has to offer other search options in the same way microsoft have to do browsers you can expect Bings to gain the lions share)
     
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    actually with mobile phones and tablets getting bigger share of internet pie, this is a huge threat to both Yahoo & Bing because both Apple and Android devices always put Google search as their main SE. I own an android phone and I dont think you can even change your default SE in your browser to Bing or Yahoo. So obviously it's not true about mobile devices come standard with bing search.

    It's only Nokia that will come with Bing Search (considering they are now using Windows Phone 7 as their upcoming OS)
     
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    What about the HTC windows phones? Thats pretty much the 3rd biggest smartphone brand in the UK, and they're windows phones as well.