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Can you have 2 websites ranking for the same keyword?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by imlol, Aug 26, 2010.

  1. imlol

    imlol Regular Member

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    Ive seen it mentioned in other threads and Ive asked but no one has replied.

    I have a keyword that I rank for and I somehow have two sites in the top 10. Is it ok to do this or does google not allow it or is it ok to do?
     
  2. gonzomcribbinz

    gonzomcribbinz Regular Member

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    Of course it's alright. Why wouldn't it be? I wouldn't link them to each other, though. Or have them on the same server, for that matter.
     
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  3. 195471

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    There's no problem with your having multiple sites ranking for the same keyword. However, the safest way to do it is to make it very difficult for anyone (e.g., Google) to know that the sites are operated by the same person/company because if Google finds out, one or both sites could be penalized in the SERPs. If you use this strategy, I would make sure that the following factors are different for each site:

    - WHOIS info (or just use private WHOIS)
    - Web hosting (or at least put them on different, non-sequential Class-C IP addresses if using the same host, but personally I would use different hosts)
    - Web design theme/template
    - On-site contact info
    - Privacy policy and terms/disclaimer (use different wording for each)
    - Basically anything that could indicate a relationship between or among the sites
     
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    gonzomcribbinz Regular Member

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    Google is a registrar so private WhoIs doesn't mean squat to them. You'll have to fudge the WhoIs.
     
  5. imlol

    imlol Regular Member

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    Thanks. I wasnt sure if it was a no way, be careful, or everyone does it. I'll use a different host for the second site.
     
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    also remember to use differents dns and fake whois info
     
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    sterday BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    Better, And Whois Privacy would help better in this case. . BTW, i never tried 2 sites before though :p And i don't think it has that much risk. .
     
  8. dynander

    dynander Regular Member

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    One more thing about this.

    You can try to rank your 2 sites plus parasiting hosted sites (like wordpress.com, blogger, etc) to get 5, 6 even 10 positions (obliviously, depending in the competition)
     
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  9. Alex123

    Alex123 Newbie

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    I have 3 sites ranking for the same keyword
    The strategy is
    -different IPs
    -different CMS
    -hide WhoIs

    No penalties yet.
     
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    haha I have a lot more than 2 sites. I bought 2 domains in the same niche so a competitor cant get the other. Now theyre both in the top 10.
    I never thought of that! Im definitely doing it :D
     
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    195471 Regular Member

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    Yeah, I'm aware of Google's status as a registrar, but according to what I've read, Google cannot access the WHOIS data if it's private. That is, unless Google is the registrar that was used to register the domain, but to my knowledge, they do not offer this service to the public.

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    http://www.cshel.com/domains/2006/11/google-cannot-see-past-private-registrations/
     
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    gonzomcribbinz Regular Member

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    Yeah, I remember people talking about that too but I'm in the "better safe than sorry" camp.
     
  13. kandor

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    When you register with privacy on, your actually just using another companies information for your registration.

    This means that unless google or anyone contacts this company directly there is no information to be found just by doing a query.

    And this companies offers you privacy so unless your doing something illegal then you have nothing to worry about and they have no right to give out your information.

    If your doing something illegal, I would think most of the privacy companies will give your information out without any court order or any court involvement. But to rank 2 sites for the same keyword is not illegal.

    To create cloaked sites is not illegal.
    To create autoblogs is not illegal

    And so on.

    Best regards,
    Kandor
     
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    srb888 Elite Member

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    Matt Cutts, in Dec. 2007, says:

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    Subdomains are treated like a separate domain, and so you can get two results for http://www.example.com, two more for sub1.example.com, two more for sub2.example.com, and so on.


    Matt Cutts mentioned that Google is working on code to eliminate that possibility for most domains. That is, Google plans to treat most subdomains essentially like any other url on the main domain, and they will limit that domain, INCLUDING all its subdomains, to two positions total on any given search.
    UnQuote


    Code:
    http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/015621.html


    Fun part:
    There is an example given showing 3 top listings for a single search-phrase for a single site (2 fro 1 "site" -- main domain, and 1 from its sub-domain (which to ooggle is a different "website")! -- in Dec. 2007 !!!


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    NOW: Even today:
    August, 2010

    The same key-phrase has 4 top listings for the same site: 2 from main domain (http://www.xxxxx.ext), 1 from a subdomain (forums.xxxxx.ext), and 1 from another subdomain (feeds.xxxxx.ext)


    Ref.:

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    http://www.google.com/search?q=search%20engine%20roundtable
    That article is dated Dec. 07, 2007 (almost 2 1-2 years old now), but the statement is still MORE THAN valid today! The above result shows 4 different listings, all top listings, for a single main domain (2 results from main domain, and 1 each from 2 other subdomains)...

    So you can use a domain and a subdomain and still can rank both for a single keyword (or phrase). Remember, these are 2 different sites for Google.



    So draw your own conclusions! :)




     
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  15. kandor

    kandor Regular Member

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    I can say for fact that I have more than 20 results from 1 domain and its subdomains.

    Have had it many times.

    So that google would not rank more than 1 or 2 times from the same domain with subdomains is false propaganda by google.

    Also I have main domain ranking more than 8 times for the same keyword on first page as well. Also another propaganda information from google that this would not be possible.

    Although I do not like to rank from same domain or its subdomain to much, it happens time after time when I am not careful.
    as this does not look very organic to my eyes, I try to avoid it mostly.

    Best regards,
    Kandor