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Can you get a penalty for guestposting?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by rejoin14, Dec 16, 2016.

  1. rejoin14

    rejoin14 Regular Member

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    Is it also possible to get a penatly for doing guestposting?

    For example if I build my own 10 sites PBN and google catch it my money site will get a penalty.

    What would happen when I buy 10 guestposts?

    Isn't it the absolute same? I also buy some backlinks? The only difference is I'm not the owner of the site.
     
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    bartosimpsonio Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Google can penalize you for anything that builds links. Having said that, guest posting is totally legit IMO, you're actually creating content. But you never know.
     
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    Doesn't you also create content with your PBN :)
    I don't mean this 300 words spun PBNs.
     
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    There's guest posting, and then there's 'guest posting'. The latter could potentially land you in trouble, but it's not likely. The former is totally legit and one of the best ethical ways to build links.
     
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    And Google does ban PBN's all the time. So keep that in mind.
     
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    i would prefer to do guest post for my site. It will create link juice from social media sites.

    before publishing gust post, Check the content,relevant to your niche, unique content of the post.
     
  7. rejoin14

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    Because I calculated it how much would it cost to get a 10 page PBN in my language. (First year and second year)

    You need:
    -10x domain 200$+
    -10x at least 5 x 500 words of content 500$ (10$ each article, NOTE: This is not english content and it's HQ)

    Yearly:
    -Hosting (easy blog network) 42$*12 = 504$ (+ VAT)
    -10x domain registration 100$

    So you have 700$+ one time fee plus 50$ monthly. In total 1300$ the first year for 10 PBN.

    The second year would be 600$ (+ content if you want to let it look legit.)

    And if you PBN get busted you lost all.

    Found here a nice guestposting service you could get some decent 20-30 DA real site guestposting including content for 169$.
    In other words you could get almost 8 real looking "safe" guestpost links for the first year cost of a PBN.

    I think the guestposting is my way because I don't like to handle the PBN stress
     
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    Some former clients asked me to remove links ... Of posts they ordered in the past.
    So.

    I my view. That was nonsense. But well. They payed for be guest post ..: and if they want the link removed. Even better for me.

    In the end. It could only xause Google dance.

    And because you are trigger happy as every newbie you will expect over night results. And every test I made I the past took like 6 weeks to see changes in results. And even months to flatten out ...

    10 posts won't kill your site ... 100 sure will
     
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    Depends. How many are you buying? Are they relevant? How's the quality? Is your site, new or old? What's your niche? What's your backlink profile? All of these things come in play.
     
  10. rejoin14

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    The idea is to use guestposting instead of a PBN.

    Like I said "The idea is to use guestposting instead of a PBN."
    I would only buy niche relevant HQ (DA 30-40+) guestposts.
    Would be for a brandnew site. So no backlink profile and more.

    Would use this links for brand links to homepage.
    I would buy each month 2-4.

    And do some niche relevant blog commenting and forum posting. And add some expired Web 2.0 also niche relevant.
     
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    Well, if you're buying Guest posts from BHW. You're just buying PBN with good designs :p Beware. Do manual outreach.
     
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    PBN and Guest posts will not be same as you say. Guest posts are really powerful and ethical link building method as long as we do it properly.

    I meant, Guest posts should be done on real sites (i.e manually outreached sites), then only it could called as guest post.
     
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    Hey, where you get that hat from dude?

    It looks familiar.
     
  14. rejoin14

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    Isn't it the "offically" no avatar hat?
     
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    OP -- read that over and over. That's the real problem here. There's a big difference between:
    • a "guest post" in which high-quality content is placed on a legitimate website with real content and real visitors
    • a "guest post" in which spun crap is placed on a shithole filled with other spam crap
    Look at the site your "guest post" will be on and use your common sense. Read the proposed "guest post" and use your common sense. A lot of services here sell "guest posts" that are really just dressed-up PBNs with spun content.
     
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    Well, he asked in white had. So his only place is to go out, and ask white hat way.. contact bloggers in his niche. send them some articles or buy some articles there.....
     
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    Depends doesn't it. Technically if you buy guest post then links should be no follow but assuming your sourcing and buying do follow guest post there is a risk that you get caught and penalised.

    Also depending on your sources you never know they are really legit blogs or just fancy pbns do you?

    And of course also your anchor text is a big potential giveaway as well and something that could also lead to you getting penalised.

    In my opinion your own pbn can be just as safe / whitehat as guest post because you have full control over it.
     
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    Paying for links is against Google's TOS. According to Google you shouldn't be doing anything to artificially increase your popularity or build links and guest posts should be done for the purpose of NOT building links
    but to contribute information and links should be "no followed" .

    To most people on BHW guest posting is considered "white hat" compared to the other black hat methods but according to Google guest posting or any type of link building is not kosher.

    Google considers paying for links very black hat btw. Google also considers guest posting for SEO purposes "black hat". Google prefers sites who do not build links at all.

    This being said, a very large percentage of websites still build links and thrive.

    Matt Cutts actually wrote a post about this very subject. I don't want to post the full link as I don't want this site showing up in his referrer links so past it in your browser.

    From his blog : mattcutts.com/blog/guest-blogging/ (He is a top dog at Google btw)
    John Mueller also works for Google btw

    "So stick a fork in it: guest blogging is done; it’s just gotten too spammy. In general I wouldn’t recommend accepting a guest blog post unless you are willing to vouch for someone personally or know them well. Likewise, I wouldn’t recommend relying on guest posting, guest blogging sites, or guest blogging SEO as a linkbuilding strategy.

    In mid-2013, John Mueller gave spot on advice about nofollowing links in guest blog posts. I think by mid-2013, a ton of people saw the clear trend towards guest blogging being overused by a bunch of low-quality, spammy sites.

    Then a few months ago, I took a question about how to be a guest blogger without it looking like paying for links (even the question is a clue that guest blog posting has been getting spammier and spammier). I tried to find a sliver of daylight to talk about high-quality guest blog posts, but if you read the transcript you’ll notice that I ended up spending most of the time talking about low-quality/spam guest posting and guest articles.

    Added: It seems like most people are getting the spirit of what I was trying to say, but I’ll add a bit more context. I’m not trying to throw the baby out with the bath water. There are still many good reasons to do some guest blogging (exposure, branding, increased reach, community, etc.). Those reasons existed way before Google and they’ll continue into the future. And there are absolutely some fantastic, high-quality guest bloggers out there. I changed the title of this post to make it more clear that I’m talking about guest blogging for search engine optimization (SEO) purposes."



    John Mueller AT Google actually says you should NOT build any links

    http://searchengineland.com/google-try-avoid-link-building-can-harm-good-214861


    However, what Google says vs what gets results are two different things. Most of us have to build links to get the rankings but understand that there is a risk involved with guest posting and ANY form of linkbuilding, whitehat or not.

    ANY type of linkbuilding is considered "blackhat" by Google.
     
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  19. PBN345

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    Buying the links would be the easiest option - I wouldn't class them as "guest posts" though.

    Have you seen the sites the links will be placed on? Are they "real" sites or just PBN's that are advertised as "real" sites - which is common, even with larger outsource agencies.

    I wouldn't necessarily believe you are "safe" just because you have seen an offer labelled in a certain way - link buying is link buying.

    More importantly where are these "guest post" links going to be placed? On the homepage of the site? (doubt it) Or on a brand new page with no links pointing to it.

    With an expired or auction domain set up as a PBN you can place it wherever you like - homepage, another page you have found to have strong incoming links. You can 301 all the links to the homepage - you basically have full control.

    Good luck.
     
  20. onlineonly

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    You don't buy real guest posts. You reach out to websites in your niche and ask if they are interested in a guest post. Many ways to do this and my favourite lately is using pinterest but that depends a lot on which niche your in.