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Can you ever "make it"? The feeling of so called success in SEO

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by atentat, Mar 21, 2016.

  1. atentat

    atentat Junior Member

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    When I used to wash dishes I used to envy the full time dish washer employees, as I was a lesser dish washing sub contractor, who was not even employed. I hated the people, who judged over my dish washing skills and the people who didn't have to worry, as they were full time employed and wouldn't loose their job as easily.

    FW to 2016, 5 years later approx, I make like 10k a month from my clients doing SEO and online marketing in general. The money has risen, but so has the pressure, big time!

    When I started programming sites my aim was to make 100 ? / monthly from home. Next goal was to quit dish washing and toilet cleaning (seemed pretty impossible at the time).

    After that I thought, 2k / month would be insane achievement.

    My new goal is 100k / month, which seems impossible at the moment.

    My final goal is: Being financially completely independent. Never be afraid again. Never be on the street again.

    But, what I found out, money makes things better, but it doesn't automatically kill the anxiety. You don't get to feel the "you made it" feeling for a long time or ever. You never know. You never trust success, even though your grandma is very proud of you.

    How about you? Do you think you made it? What is your plan for after you made it?
     
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  2. loedown

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    For me I'll never be at a stopping point.

    I've helped grow two very successful companies in the last 8 years, one that sold for over 300MM and one that I started myself and sold after its first year with 1.2MM in revenue.

    I've never felt like "I've made it". I feel like what's next. Keep pushing to do more.
     
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  3. Mr Vlad

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    Heh, nice post, enjoyed reading it. I have a crazy story to share of my own.


    I've started my IM journey young, from 14-15. I remember playing world of warcraft back then, and one day I decided to make a quick site for my guild. So I got into web design as a noob, using wix/google sites/etc. I got so hooked on it that I dropped playing altogether. I started getting better at coding, and began making more advanced websites. I never saw myself making sites for others, so I looked into IM and began offering YouTube views, by reselling from competitors. Back then the rate was $20-25 per 1000 views, good times )

    Within a month I ranked the site top 5 on my own (SEO back then was a different story, especially for those niches). Sales started booming. Long story short, by 19 a had a few businesses running and at some point I was making $85k/month. That was the time when I felt like "I made it". But of course in a naive and simple way, because I knew this wasn't even close to my real goal, so perhaps it was more the feeling of stability.

    Then the bad times came, that's when I realized how confident, stupid, naive and kind I was, and how it all backfired. The company of my parents went bankrupt, and I took all family expenses on myself. On top of that I was paying off their debts. That's all fine, I was glad and proud to be helping out my family. The problem was that they were spending money too foolishly. Like renting a house that's definitely not worth the money, taking on credit you can't afford, buying cars, buying all kinds of crap you don't need, etc. Imagine that's at the time their business went bankrupt, true story :D

    I was young and even though I was giving them money I didn't feel like I had the authority to tell them how to spend it. So I just kept working on my business feeling like am on top of the world, and if I managed to get there I can manage it again and again, even if it's all gone tomorrow.

    Being the kind fool that I am, I can never refuse my family (well at least back then I couldn't). So I tried to keep up with their expenses even though it began hurting my business. In fact, the business started eating itself just to support the family expenses. That's when I decided to tell my parents to cut down the expenses. But the way they are, they took it easy.. they are the kind of people that don't go by words, but rather expect actions or consequences. So although I made several attempts to cut down our expenses, it really took us a year or two to bring it down to something decent and comparable to other families living more or less the same lifestyle (somehow despite all the expenses of my parents, I never felt like our lives were any different or better than any other family spending 10-20 times less than us)

    Long story short, my business was hurting because I didn't support it financially the way I should have. It died off much faster than I expected, and we still lived off the money I saved up for more than a year. Eventually I collected debts of my own, which made it extremely hard for me to get a new business running. Try starting something knowing that every dollar you spend on uncertainty is a bet you can't afford..

    I must say that this experience has been incredible for me, and I wouldn't change a thing about it. In fact am glad I had to go through it, because it erased my blind confidence and naivety.

    The two biggest lessons I learned were:

    1. To never undermine your business, no matter what. Even if it's for the sake of your family, don't ever spend more than 50% of what it earns you. Because at the end of the day, it's a hen that gives you eggs, you eat the hen, you'll starve eventually.

    2. To understand that blind kindness is never a good thing. Kindness should always be accepted with appreciation. I'm not saying expect something in return, no, but you must always expect appreciation. When people don't appreciate what you do for them, they don't care for the troubles you go through to help them. They will always expect something from you, without attempting to get in your shoes and offer help back when you need it. Look at what my kindness did to me. I was too kind to tell my family to keep our expenses a bit lower, which killed my business and we ended up having it way worse than just keeping our expenses low..

    Anyway, that's my story of ups and downs. I definitely think that whoever is aiming high in life must goes through all kinds of troubles, that's the only way we can learn and grow. The smoother the climb, the greater the fall. The more mistakes you make, the more you learn, the smarter you are when you get to that "I made it" moment, again and again. That's the beauty of life. :)
     
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    The grass is always greener on the other side...at least that's what our brains think.

    You will always be chasing something.
     
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  5. Galleta

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    Probably even people like Rockefeller or Bill Gates dont have that feeling, thus their continuous pursuit of their "ideals".
     
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  6. vizualwarrior

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    I would need to have enough money earned and invested from SEO so that if I were to stop I could live on dividends forever, to feel like I've "made it". Otherwise gotta keep grinding.
     
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    This is a really good fucking post. Respect man.
     
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    The day your wife stares at you and says : honey you've made it, we have enough money now, is the day you're successful in SEO.

    Since that's never gonna happen, I'd say the answer is NO. You'll never quite make it.
     
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    Is this supposed to replace the usual Smile And Nod, that I get when I explain how many clients I got that day? :D
     
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    Thanks buddy, now that I spent so much time writing it, I feel like posting it in the lounge lol
     
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    I have not made it I am trying being fully independent and stress free is my goal...you have done great and way better you should be proud of yourself not just your grandma
     
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  12. brandpiper

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    I'm a uber noob, but trying hard to make success is my goal, good discussion, I wish you good luck man!
     
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    For me, I'll have "made it" when I have enough capital invested safely that I can live off of it without having to do anything else. 2 million at 5% annually is 100k per year, just as an example figure. It wouldn't mean I'd stop working, but focus would shift exclusively to things I really cared about. Also it'd mean a lot more than having a ferrari in the garage although I would enjoy that as well.
     
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    Im in the same position you were in OP. I know exactly what you mean. After months and months of browsing this forum, I'm about to start this beutiful journey. All i can say is, i'll be grinding for a long time until I can say i "made it".
     
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    No matter how much money I make its never enough. Two years ago I was making 4 times what I do today and it was all spent.

    Every time I think I've made it I want something else. I was a writer earning OK money then got into SEO earning great money now I can't stand the stress and pressure and having to kiss ass and sell to idiot clients so I'm trying to replace client based SEO with my own sites. I'm impatient but I can't wait to one day tell those dickheads I'm cancelling heir contract.
     
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  16. redarrow

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    you have inspired me , i am the same as you in hart, i give to mum and dad like water, i pay for everthink even there cloths wased everythink , i am so proud to here that a son like you have rescued those that brought you up
    i am know not so guilty driving a £120.000 car cheers ......
    and have 14 homes rented i am 43 i fill guilty going to the shop and seeing poverty does hurt me .....

    god bless redarrow
     
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    Thanks buddy! I know, no matter what, your parents gave you life and raised you. They are the reason you exist and you will always be indebted to them. I just learned to be smarter, and realized that kindness could be both a virtue or a vice, if done blindly. Always help your family, but prioritize your business. Because your good deeds can always backfire and haunt you. God bless!
     
  18. mareks

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    If you want never stop, follow your mission - it can be anything what can change/make better the world (or at least 1 city).

    Don't chase small "goals" or even goals, it is not beneficial not for you, not for the world. We all can make money and do great things. But only MISSION can really change our lives, because small issues disappears and appears bigger ones, for example, find a super-efficient way to get clean water and oxygen using technology or create robots or automate food production (growth). There are unlimited possibilities what to do as a mission, you will be excited and always pushing more. Of course, money will flow to and new opportunities will open when you are on a mission. Make humans immortal, make new "life" or even teleport.

    To find your mission, find what you want to change or do to move humanity forward... ;)

    P.S. Always have basic money flow, the harder is your mission the more you will need money to support it.