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Can you be punished by google if you only use Off-Site blackhat SEO?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by DrGonzo2, Dec 21, 2011.

  1. DrGonzo2

    DrGonzo2 Newbie

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    If you keep your main page/money page clean from blackhat seo and only build link wheels and stuff like that, will google punish your page by itself or only give your off-site links a bad rank?

    Of course off-site links affect your main page ranking but is the worst-case-scenario the same rank as before or can you fall deeper?
     
  2. Toples

    Toples Regular Member

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    any backlinking is against google SEO guidelines
    so any link not coming natural is basically a risk....
    web2.0 links seem to be the most trusted, but dont get crazy with it...
     
  3. DrGonzo2

    DrGonzo2 Newbie

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    Your right but your competitors could build backlinks too. How can google tell the difference?

    So you would advice against blackhat if you have a serious e-commerce site running?
     
  4. finemoves

    finemoves Newbie

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    Any time you build links to your site to rank, you can get a penalty. However, sure beats ppc and is most of the time worth the risk. Make sure you have a quality relevant site you are promoting. That reduces your risk a lot.
     
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    fathobbitsss Junior Member

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    don't do link wheels,

    take note of your link velocity in majestic seo

    and you'll be mint
     
  6. Dan Da Man

    Dan Da Man Elite Member Premium Member

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    No, you cannot get hurt. Blast to your desires! People above are wrong, sorry. Any established site should have no problem
     
  7. ActionTaker

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    My site didn't get punished it just seemed stuck in the SERPs. I hit it with 20k forum posts to see what would happen (it was already stuck at this moment) and it didn't budge - the keyword was fairly easy.
     
  8. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    Backlinking is against SEO guidelines? You are misunderstanding the guidelines. It is against the Google Webmaster Guidelines to try to Manipulate Page Rank, to do Reciprocal Links (Link Exchange) and Buy/Sell Links that are intented to Flow Page Rank.

    You are ALLOWED to build as many HIGH QUALITY links as you want. If you are writing original content articles that are intended to provide users good information, you can certainly drop a link in that article when you post it on Ezine Articles. If you are trying to let people know about a great tool/post/offer, you can certainly go on Digg and Reddit and submit your site.

    Bulk web 2.0 sites are actually one of the worst in a manual review because they are very obvious when they have been made strictly for the purposes of building links to your site.

    Social Bookmarks and Original Articles and Hand Written Comments are probably the best and safest and easiest HIGH QUALITY backlinks you can get that will not get you in any trouble with google, even during a manual review.
     
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    NoHoneyWithoutMoney Regular Member

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    NO , IF That WAS THE CASE I CAN DO BLASTS 24 7 and can hit anyone .
     
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    In most cases google will simply discount all "bad" links and will not punish you solely because of links. The main reason for penalties is the site content not the links.
     
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    Sure they can. They can do whatever they want. There is no such thing like a right to be listed in Google. If they don't want your site to be listed, then it is like it is.

    But if you ask if it's likely that they punish you, the answer is no. I blast thousands of links to my money sites, I do link wheels and link pyramides, I spin context and not once I got punished.

    Besides that it's absolutely right what Kickflip said.
     
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  12. ejrussell

    ejrussell Regular Member

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    Go with the people telling you that there is no penalty.

    Just think about it. If there was a penalty knocking your competitor out would be easy. Google even says that there is nothing your competitor can do to hurt you. This would mean building millions of links. If you are worried you can always use buffer sites, but dont worry because it cant hurt you.
     
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    It can get punished only if it's a new site.
    I once bought a domain and put a few posts on it and left it alone for two years. After two years I set it to be autoblog. From that point I ONLY did a sb blasts and not a baby blasts, I was blasting 20k a week for couple of months. Well maybe it is a baby blasts for some :)
    Anyways before I knew it the PR0 went up to PR3.
    Bottom line is if your domain aged you WILL see benefit. If domain is purchased month or so ago then most likely you will end up in sandbox
     
  14. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    I know you guys are trying to help, but please, do more reading, and more testing for yourselves before you give too much information.

    Using buffer sites is not as safe as people imagine them to be. Using a buffer site is actually probably more reckless because you aren't taking ANY care about where the links to your "buffer" site come from, and are therefore more likely to get reported for a manual review.

    The only reason to "blast" a buffer site, is to manipulate the flow of page rank, which is against Googles Webmaster rules. There is really very little difference between using a Buffer site and building links directly to your money site in terms of "getting caught". The footprints are incredibly easy to follow.

    Google is not dumb. In fact, they are geniuses when they want to be. They have many methods of trying to sort between things done by your competitors and yourself, and during a manual review, if they don't like what is happening with your site, they can find a legitimate reason to knock your site down a bit.

    Whether a site is new or not also plays very little role in if it will get hit for a penalty. Just because a site is old, doesn't mean it is completely safe to do stupid stuff on.

    I have blasted THOUSANDS of links to sites in a single day, on brand new sites with crappy content, and sometimes even having NO content. I have never been banned or penalized ever.

    We have no idea what Google can tell about our sites automatically and we have no idea what they have to do during a manual review. You can never consider yourself fully "safe" from Google if you are a member of a Blackhat forum. That is the risk you take. If it isn't worth the "risk" then you have no business here.

    If you want to build backlinks, and remain as safe as possible then just forget about aged domains, forget about quality content. If you had an aged domain with quality content, then you should just be whitehat! But if you do want to blackhat seo safely, then stick with WELL WRITTEN Social Bookmarks, Wikipedia type links, Article Marketing, and Blog Comments. This is the safe key to success.

    But my point again: Please don't assume Google employees are dumb. Please don't assume Googles algorithm turns off when your site has been registered by the same owner for 2 years. Please don't assume Google can't tell when you are manipulating a "Buffer" site.
     
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